6B, if I am right in thinking you are the producer of 6b productions, thanks for the great videos on this and other sites. Fantastic stuff.
I love your notion of continuing hinging past separation. Great. With a small pulley wheel the hinge action starts just prior to impact and extends as long as it can. Is that right? Yoda, for instance does not seem to finish swivel until way late. His right shoulder is down plane and he has lots of right arm left through impact.
I think for me, the swiveling started too early due to the fact the left arm blast off was missing after some misguided head cover under the left armpit training sessions from a few years ago. Dang, another book I wish I'd never read.
O.B.
Hinge action and swivel are TWO separate motions. A Hinge Action is just several inches through the ball, although the intention and preparation starts from the beginning of the downstroke. There is a swivel action not only on the start up (first) but on the down stroke a swivel action before (second) the hinge action and another after (third and last) the hinge action. Homer said a Swinger may feel this as one large swivel- that’s fine but a hinge action is a left hand’s fine tuning of the clubFACE.
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Hinge action and swivel are TWO separate motions. A Hinge Action is just several inches through the ball, although the intention and preparation starts from the beginning of the downstroke. There is a swivel action not only on the start up (first) but on the down stroke a swivel action before (second) the hinge action and another after (third and last) the hinge action. Homer said a Swinger may feel this as one large swivel- that’s fine but a hinge action is a left hand’s fine tuning of the clubFACE.
This is the official home of 6b productions- my thanks to Lynn who without Yoda and his talented assembly of friends- they would be blank.
Thanks 6b. For sure the start up swivel and all other swivels feel related, to my mind anyways. The old "as ye go back so shall ye come down" refrain. I dont want to take this post in another direction but perhaps you could answer something Ive been wondering about in regard to the finish swivel.
I've been re watching some of your greatest hits. Such classics as Yoda's "Swiger's swivel" in which he delivers his famous line "WHY? BECAUSE THATS WHERE THE GOLFING MACHINE LIVES , THAT WHY". As well as one of your David Orr master pieces "Power Package" part two.
Im surprised that above you say the hinge action is only several inches long. Perhaps I have it wrong.
Should you not hinge to both arms straight and then swivel back onto the plane? Also when I watch great swingers I see their both arms straight position being achieved a little later than in the swings of your average Joe. Is this wrong on my part?
I dont know how to post jpegs yet but in Yoda's DVD preview about the "throw" he appears to be swinging into a very late both arms straight or follow through. Maybe the straight on camera angle hides a slightly bent left arm. In the very beginning of "Swingers swivel" your slo mo intro shows Yoda's left arm bending earlier but Im wondering if Yoda was demonstrating an over swiveled draw with that swing.
Is there a benefit to achieving a later "both arms straight" which therefore extends the length of the horizontal hinge action? Is the rolling of "Delivery line, roll prep" really a horizontal hinge action that for the swinger can sometimes feel like one big swivel through the ball?
Love your videos. How can I view more of them?
O.B.
When you talked about your LCT, with the right wrist being held vertical during the takeaway, how long do you keep that relationship before you let the left wrist rotate to plane? Do you find that this motion does not allow the right elbow to remain still while performing the startup swivel? I struggle with getting underplane so lagging the club a bit has helped me trace a little better (and added a bit of float loading to boot), but I just wanted your opinion on this and what alignments you created from it. I know this is a bit of an old thread, but it's still a goodie
When you talked about your LCT, with the right wrist being held vertical during the takeaway, how long do you keep that relationship before you let the left wrist rotate to plane? Do you find that this motion does not allow the right elbow to remain still while performing the startup swivel? I struggle with getting underplane so lagging the club a bit has helped me trace a little better (and added a bit of float loading to boot), but I just wanted your opinion on this and what alignments you created from it. I know this is a bit of an old thread, but it's still a goodie
Thanks
LA - Yeah, oldie but goodie is something I'm becoming more and more familiar with, but thanks for resurrecting this one. I think I know what you are saying. I still like to lag the takeaway a bit before turning.
Keep in mind that the left shoulder/left arm wedge is in motion during the backswing and the action of the right forearm takeaway assists in bringing the left wrist to plane without any intentional turning of the wrist taking place, so you can lag the entire flying wedge structure and still get some turning.
The active turning of the left wrist during this process will by necessity move the right elbow. You can't maintain the flying wedges alignments without adjusting right elbow position back and inward when fanning the clubface with the left wrist.
I think the key to all of this is tracing the plane line during the backstroke with the #3 pressure point while simulataneously fanning the clubface with the left wrist. If the right elbow is in motion during this process it musn't disrupt the tracing.
Keep digging!
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1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly
One question, if you are using a strong single action grip, does the turn of the left wrist take care of itself ? making an active turning of the wrist unnecessary?
LA - Yeah, oldie but goodie is something I'm becoming more and more familiar with, but thanks for resurrecting this one. I think I know what you are saying. I still like to lag the takeaway a bit before turning.
Keep in mind that the left shoulder/left arm wedge is in motion during the backswing and the action of the right forearm takeaway assists in bringing the left wrist to plane without any intentional turning of the wrist taking place, so you can lag the entire flying wedge structure and still get some turning.
The active turning of the left wrist during this process will by necessity move the right elbow. You can't maintain the flying wedges alignments without adjusting right elbow position back and inward when fanning the clubface with the left wrist.
I think the key to all of this is tracing the plane line during the backstroke with the #3 pressure point while simulataneously fanning the clubface with the left wrist. If the right elbow is in motion during this process it musn't disrupt the tracing.
Keep digging!
Thanks Bagger, never thought about that left wrist, right elbow relationship till now. Hmmmm. Standard Wrist action vs Single having different associated right elbow positions etc etc.
Thanks Bagger, never thought about that left wrist, right elbow relationship till now. Hmmmm. Standard Wrist action vs Single having different associated right elbow positions etc etc.
Think of the inverse of the paddlewheel motion of the right forearm and then you'll see both clearly. The straightening right elbow helps power the left wrist roll, and vice versa.
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1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly
Think of the inverse of the paddlewheel motion of the right forearm and then you'll see both clearly. The straightening right elbow helps power the left wrist roll, and vice versa.
Thats a very interesting bit of reverse engineering for Startup. Thanks Bagger. Those elbows again, man they can move the clubshaft around/off plane if they feel like it. You got to watch those fellers. Look, look, look.
One question, if you are using a strong single action grip, does the turn of the left wrist take care of itself ? making an active turning of the wrist unnecessary?
Not sure Dodger, I think its probably optional but recommended for a swinger and not necessary for a hitter.
Assuming you want a horizontal hinge through impact, the start up swivel not only prepares you for rolling during release, but also helps set your right elbow in a pitch orientation that is easier to return to on the downstroke. If you are a angled hinge swinger, then you may not need any accumulator #3 "wind up" preparation in advance.
Its been while since I've cracked the book on this one, so when I have some time I'll take a look.
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1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly
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