Pace, Pressure, Rhythm, Flails, Delivery Paths, Acceleration and Pulley Sizes

[neil]

OK . . . think about this . . . to have the same what is required for a circle path to generate the same clubhead speed as straight line delivery? Now think about what fast cars do when they come to a sharp turn . . .

Holla.

They are both travelling in a circle no?

[12 piece bucket]

Homer didn't have much to say about it. He first mentions the word PACE in 2-G (7th edition) while discussing rhythm and hinge action. He refers the reader to [b]"See 2-P-0 regarding PACE."


"The true Angular Speed (RPM) of the Clubhead is identical to that of the Hands due to the mandatory Flat Left Wrist."

the Glossary defines PACE as:

PACE Example – walking vs. running.
Mechanical – The miles per hour (MPH) of a moving body.
Golf – The surface speed of the orbiting Clubhead as differentiated from Rhythm.


P.S. I believe the answer to the pace question is embedded in this post and I don't think it's hand speed, but... wouldn't be the first or last time I was wrong.

I believe the answer lies in your quotes above . . . the connection between the chosen Delivery Path and Pulley size, the REQUIRED Pace and resulting surface speed . . . surface speed is what? Pace is pop golf rhythm . . . but it ain't TGM Rhythm . . . but I believe Pace can aid or disrupt Rhythm. The answer is in the Belt.

[12 piece bucket]

They are both travelling in a circle no?

Yes . . . and what must happen for a car to move in a circle if it is traveling at 90 mph and comes to a sharp turn? Assuming you don't have chicken grease on the wheel of course.

[neil]

OK . . . think about this . . . to have the same what is required for a circle path to generate the same clubhead speed as straight line delivery? Now think about what fast cars do when they come to a sharp turn . . .

Holla.

OK Bucket -they slow down (brake)

[12 piece bucket]

Yup- Dad always said that to us when we were kids.

I figured somebody'd get all over that one! I would make a wife joke but I shall refrain.

[12 piece bucket]

OK Bucket -they slow down (brake)

Ding Ding!!! Ok now . . . Circle Path vs. Straight Line Delivery with Small Pulley . . . talk to me about Pace and Lag Pressure for each . . .

[Bagger Lance]

My crispy fried friend,

I believe Pace is surface speed and you believe its hand speed. So I'll Bite.
Lag pressure for a circle path is not as heavy as a snap/straight line path.

If hand speed equals pace then what is the term for surface speed?

Oh...as it pertains to the golf stroke.

[12 piece bucket]

My crispy fried friend,

I believe Pace is surface speed and you believe its hand speed. So I'll Bite.
Lag pressure for a circle path is not as heavy as a snap/straight line path.

If hand speed equals pace then what is the term for surface speed?

Oh...as it pertains to the golf stroke.

Hand speed pace and release . . . oh yeah golf stroke golf stroke . . . stroke . . . sorry! Yeah back to the program

I think Pace is definitely more of a hand speed thang than surface speed thang. If because we have a law of the fail and we comply with it . . . our handzeez travel a certain speed and our clubhead hopefully travels at a greater speed for the long ball anyhow . . . but since we love the flail our hands and club travel at the same RPM . . .but the SURFACE SPEED of business end of the club (the head) is moving faster than our handzeez . . . this is a result of what?

And for straight line versus circle path . . . picture Tom I-kicked-McCord'sazz-out-of-Augusta Watson with his circle path and its pace versus Big Easy with his pace and his small pulley . . . who do you reckon feels more Lag Pressure? Which'un requires more hand speed to generate an equal amount of Clubhead (surface ) speed?

Scream back at me.

[Bagger Lance]

Hand speed pace and release . . . oh yeah golf stroke golf stroke . . . stroke . . . sorry! Yeah back to the program
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Sorry dude, but I just couldn't set myself up for that one...

I think Pace is definitely more of a hand speed thang than surface speed thang. If because we have a law of the fail and we comply with it . . . our handzeez travel a certain speed and our clubhead hopefully travels at a greater speed for the long ball anyhow . . . but since we love the flail our hands and club travel at the same RPM . . .but the SURFACE SPEED of business end of the club (the head) is moving faster than our handzeez . . . this is a result of what?
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No doubt about that.
But the answer is the head moves faster because during the uncocking the head is catching up to the hand RPM for it's in line condition. He doesn't define surface speed until #3 kicks in.

And for straight line versus circle path . . . picture Tom I-kicked-McCord'sazz-out-of-Augusta Watson with his circle path and its pace versus Big Easy with his pace and his small pulley . . . who do you reckon feels more Lag Pressure? Which'un requires more hand speed to generate an equal amount of Clubhead (surface ) speed?

Scream back at me.

Well that ones pretty straight forward because I resembled ole Tom for a while, but suffice to say as the slower hands hit the small pulley, they feel lag pressure more instanteously than the faster hands going around the big pulley. I gotta believe that for each, LAG PRESSURE THROUGH IMPACT IS THE SAME for the same pace...I mean...SURFACE SPEED .

That's about the best I can do to scream.

Oh...and I could be really wrong about all of this cause after all, I'm just a big ole loud mouth Texas boy.

Have a poke chop break and keep it goin, theres a bunch more...
I gotta break to turn a big ole rib eye smoke'in on the grill.

[12 piece bucket]

Sorry dude, but I just couldn't set myself up for that one...


No doubt about that.
But the answer is the head moves faster because during the uncocking the head is catching up to the hand RPM for it's in line condition. He doesn't define surface speed until #3 kicks in.



Well that ones pretty straight forward because I resembled ole Tom for a while, but suffice to say as the slower hands hit the small pulley, they feel lag pressure more instanteously than the faster hands going around the big pulley. I gotta believe that for each, LAG PRESSURE THROUGH IMPACT IS THE SAME for the same pace...I mean...SURFACE SPEED .

That's about the best I can do to scream.

Oh...and I could be really wrong about all of this cause after all, I'm just a big ole loud mouth Texas boy.

Keep it go'in though, theres a bunch more...

Lets assume both have the same clubhead speed . .. who has more hand speed . . . Tom or EZ?