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[Daryl]

Bucket,

I know. I completely agree. I'm just jackin with ya. But I still would like to see Mike O increase the pressure on the journey toward impact. We can bet money on those shots. Win some, Lose some.

But really, how much lag pressure do I need to carry my Drive 325 yards?

[drewitgolf]

Remember it is SUSTAIN the Lag . . . not increase the Lag . .. Mike O will argue this point. . . you can increase the Lag but I don't think you want to go nutz with it. The problem lies in cranking up the Lag Pressure really earlier and really hard and you have too much speed too early and end up chasing it instead of driving it.

Homer advocated having a "stock" lag pressure and then adding/subtracting to hit different distances. You are definitely going to have less pressure hitting a driver 50 vs. 270 or whatever.

Probably what you should do is figure out what your sustainable pressure is. Hit the ball with as much pressure as you can put on it. Keep backing off and find your most "consistent" amount of pressure. You want a pressure that allows you hit the ball with authority but control your dispersion. Lotsa times LESS may be be MORE and may be better too.

Experiment with it.

Can I get an amen? When less is more!! Overcoming the belief that Effort is Power. Nice post Bucket. This should be required reading.

[Mike O]

Thank you. It's clear to me that you interpreted Buckets "Breakdown" of the Left Wrist as what he meant by the Breakdown of Structure. I read the Throwaway problem but thought that he was talking about something additional and something else in the Power Package Structure that would Breakdown if too much #3 Pressure Point was applied.

Perhaps you can tell me in "Ounces", the difference in #3 PP pressure between a 100 MPH swing and a 50 MPH swing???

Not saying you guys are offbase, slightly offbase or heading offbase BUT clubhead lag pressure senses the acceleration rate not the speed of the clubhead. If you head down some roadway where you've correlated lag pressure directly with clubhead speed- you'll be in Bolivia before you know it- and wondering "How'd we get here?"

[Daryl]

Not saying you guys are offbase, slightly offbase or heading offbase BUT clubhead lag pressure senses the acceleration rate not the speed of the clubhead. If you head down some roadway where you've correlated lag pressure directly with clubhead speed- you'll be in Bolivia before you know it- and wondering "How'd we get here?"

You're right. We're going downhill as fast as a New York Governor.

[okie]

I learned a great deal from this exchange. I love it when you guys hash it out! Ultimately, everyone has to sense the limits of their own machine in terms of the lag pressure it can support. It brings us back to the well worn mantra "sustain the lag." And Homer meant precisely that...SUSTAIN. If you don't mind me speaking in general golfing terms...but by learning to load the lag you learn to "wait" on the clubhead...like a gathering storm! Sustaining the lag all the way to finish gives you something to do...no downswing narcolepsy accompanied with a night terror due to the inevitable errant shot!

Other than pounding an impact bag, or doing the mop ...what other drills do we have to "set and sustain" the appropriate lag pressure? I'm just starting to play again...all I want after I have warmed up on the range is a sense of lag pressure. I'm not yet adept at changing it at will, although I know it happens anyway. Is this why HK Homer believed that a lack of success with less lag pressure was a blinking wobble warning light?

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[12 piece bucket]

I learned a great deal from this exchange. I love it when you guys hash it out! Ultimately, everyone has to sense the limits of their own machine in terms of the lag pressure it can support. It brings us back to the well worn mantra "sustain the lag." And Homer meant precisely that...SUSTAIN. If you don't mind me speaking in general golfing terms...but by learning to load the lag you learn to "wait" on the clubhead...like a gathering storm! Sustaining the lag all the way to finish gives you something to do...no downswing narcolepsy accompanied with a night terror due to the inevitable errant shot!

Other than pounding an impact bag, or doing the mop ...what other drills do we have to "set and sustain" the appropriate lag pressure? I'm just starting to play again...all I want after I have warmed up on the range is a sense of lag pressure. I'm not yet adept at changing it at will, although I know it happens anyway. Is this why HK Homer believed that a lack of success with less lag pressure was a blinking wobble warning light?

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My pick "sustain the lag"

Swing with your eyes closed . . .

Alternate focus on #3 and #4 and #2 . . .

[Daryl]

Hmm?

Bucket.
1. Are you saying that once a few ounces of Clubhead lag pressure is found during the initial Startdown, to keep only this light pressure on the #3 pressure point?

2. Are you thinking that a light pressure is all that you need or that too much pressure is bad (Radial Acceleration)?

3. Are you using the #2 Pressure Point to do most of the Sensing of Clubhead Lag (Acceleration)?

[12 piece bucket]

Hmm?

Bucket.
1. Are you saying that once a few ounces of Clubhead lag pressure is found during the initial Startdown, to keep only this light pressure on the #3 pressure point?

2. Are you thinking that a light pressure is all that you need or that too much pressure is bad (Radial Acceleration)?

3. Are you using the #2 Pressure Point to do most of the Sensing of Clubhead Lag (Acceleration)?

1. Not really . . . the thing that started this was a dude said "I don't feel pressure in #3." Since this is the "Swinger's" Room I told him that it was OK NOT TO FEEL IT. In Swinging you are a. Dependent more on #4 and #2 b. the pressure is loading on the knuckle instead of the fleshy pad and then it either stays there or can go back. So there is a lot of stuff going on. My point was a. It's OK not to feel ooodleeez of pressure and b. you want to have a pressure that you can sustain. A sustainable operative pressure.

2. I think you can have a light pressure and hit it fine . . . more ain't always better. You just have to find what is right for you.

3. Yes sir.

[Daryl]

1. Not really . . . the thing that started this was a dude said "I don't feel pressure in #3." Since this is the "Swinger's" Room I told him that it was OK NOT TO FEEL IT. In Swinging you are a. Dependent more on #4 and #2 b. the pressure is loading on the knuckle instead of the fleshy pad and then it either stays there or can go back. So there is a lot of stuff going on. My point was a. It's OK not to feel ooodleeez of pressure and b. you want to have a pressure that you can sustain. A sustainable operative pressure.

2. I think you can have a light pressure and hit it fine . . . more ain't always better. You just have to find what is right for you.

3. Yes sir.

I can put any amount of Pressure on #3. From light to 20 pounds. But 20 pounds has so much initial acceleration that I do lose a little pressure a few inches before impact. Before I start looking to solve this with zone 1 changes, I was hoping for a simpler solution. Anytime I really want to Swing really hard, I have to move the ball slightly back to compensate. Maybe I should just use a longer club?

[neil]

I can put any amount of Pressure on #3. From light to 20 pounds. But 20 pounds has so much initial acceleration that I do lose a little pressure a few inches before impact. Before I start looking to solve this with zone 1 changes, I was hoping for a simpler solution. Anytime I really want to Swing really hard, I have to move the ball slightly back to compensate. Maybe I should just use a longer club?

So you're gonna fade it!
Seriously-when I was on the launch monitor, I found I was loading the shaft twice,-once from the top and again just before impact.
That was why I hit the block,-shaft was too weak.
Now that I can't overload the shaft -I have to use "steady acceleration" ...and constant lag pressure,
P.S. PP#3 feels about 3/4 oz