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Old 02-15-2012, 10:16 PM
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Old 02-15-2012, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by gmbtempe View Post
I see Yoda doing lots of out toss there....

(this is a joke but will probably be take too serious by the "noramlites").
LOL

But what's a "noramlite?"
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Old 02-15-2012, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 3Putt View Post
Kev, I absolutely agree. I don't want to get into a lengthy discussion about forward shaft bend (this thread doesn't need to be dragged - no pun intended - in another direction). But the video explanation is very unsatisfying. If the shaft can't keep up with the sweetspot (as mentioned in the video) such that a forward bend is created, then it must be influencing the sweet spot - resisting its forward motion - opposite to the desired resisting its deceleration
...and how does that knowledge influence what you are trying to accomplish in the golf swing?

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Old 02-15-2012, 10:49 PM
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The shaft kicks before impact in every properly fitted shaft. The trick is to get a flex that gives as a straight a shaft as possible at IMPACT for face control. As a general rule, too stiff and it kicks too early, too much flex and the head lags the shaft at impact holding the face open. In those photos of Woods, he hasn't lost lag pressure, the sweetspot is outrunning the shaft, but not his trigger finger(pp#3)!
How does the shaft know where the ball is located?

The Shaft isn't programed to act on its own. It will bend from pressure and release when the pressure subsides.

Does it make sense that the clubhead may not be increasing speed but that the clubshaft has stopped accelerating.

Consider this similarity. If you cast a weight with a fishing pole, it bends in the direction of the lagging weight. But as the pole begins to slow, the weight passes and the pole reverses its bend in the direction of the weight which is now moving ahead of the shaft.

It's important to note that the weight begins to lose speed as soon as it becomes in-line with the pole. "Law of the Flail."

The downstroke Acceleration Sequence really works and it's not too difficult to learn and use. Naturally, a complete examination of the DAS is included in my Video, "The Right Forearm Participation in the G.O.L.F. Swing".
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:14 AM
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3. yes I have seen the data showing forward bend at impact- even the pros. BUT HK has said (can't find the quote now but it is on the forum) that the pro's loose lag before impact.

hb
Yes, if the club head outruns the shaft before impact, club head lag is lost. That's why you try to match the shaft to your swing so that the club head is in line with the shaft at impact. But even with a forward bending shaft, there is still accumulator and pivot lag to prevent the loss of pp#3 lag pressure.
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:30 AM
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How does the shaft know where the ball is located?
You match the shaft to your swing and ball position.
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Old 02-16-2012, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
You match the shaft to your swing and ball position.
You're recommending that the Shaft "Flex" be matched to the Players amount of "Throw-away".

Is there an "ideal" amount of "Throw-away" that you recommend?
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Old 02-16-2012, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by KevCarter View Post
When you find that quote from Homer Kelley, please share it with us.

I have not relocated the quote but some real data from True Temper should make the point:

http://www.tutelman.com/golf/shafts/...end-Norman.gif


http://www.tutelman.com/golf/shafts/...nd-LoveIII.gif


http://www.tutelman.com/golf/shafts/...d-Jacobsen.gif


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Old 02-16-2012, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by HungryBear View Post
I have not relocated the quote but some real data from True Temper should make the point:

http://www.tutelman.com/golf/shafts/...end-Norman.gif


http://www.tutelman.com/golf/shafts/...nd-LoveIII.gif


http://www.tutelman.com/golf/shafts/...d-Jacobsen.gif


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Tutleman's charts have NOTHING to do with your statement that Homer Kelley says all pros have thrown away lag pressure at impact. Too many folks here study Homer Kelley to try to baffle them with BS.

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Old 02-16-2012, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by KevCarter View Post
Tutleman's charts have NOTHING to do with your statement that Homer Kelley says all pros have thrown away lag pressure at impact. Too many folks here study Homer Kelley to try to baffle them with BS.

Kevin
Spend some time studying and find the quote yourself and not at me. Last smart guy who tried that was on the fourth green at TP south. I took a four wood and hit his ball into the ocean and walked on.
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