Right Forearm Position at the Top differs for the Angle and Arc of Approach procedure. So their Elbow location and action differs also. For Hitting (10-19-A), the Right Forearm should be precisely in-line with – and directly opposed to – the motion of the On Plane Loading Action (7-22) of the entire Primary Lever Assembly (6-A) not just the Clubshaft, and this alignment is maintained through Impact (2-J-3, 4-D). For Swinging (10-19-C) the Right Forearm should be precisely in-line with – and directly opposed to – the motion of the On Plane Loading of the Secondary Lever Assembly (the Clubshaft) and this alignment maintained through Impact. In compliance with both 6-B-3-0-1 and 10-11-0-3. With this “in-line” relationship of Loading and Right Forearm, it is absolutely MANDATORY that, Hitting or Swinging, it is the Right Forearm – not just the Right Hand and/or Clubshaft – that must be thrown, or driven, into Impact per 7-2-3
Got to be careful with Homers "Swinging vs Hitting". In 6-H-0 for instance he's talking True Swinging vs Drive Loading not Swinging vs Hitting general per say. In the above quote he's talking Drag vs Drive Loading , Arc of Approach vs Angle of Approach ( as an aside you can Hit and use the Arc) and assuming a certain grip type, wedges 90 degrees etc. So to answer your question , 4B Drag then Drive is a different animal, neither 12-1 nor 12-2.
Here's one for you. You say Angle of Approach is cross line, closed plane line (correctly) and then show photos of Arnie hitting a driver. Assuming Arnie positioned his ball at low point with that driver........If the Angle of Approach is a straight line from Impact to Low point .........wouldnt it, the angle of approach be straight line , square, inline with the target line?
And what are the implications to the quote above given a Hitter using the Angle of Approach who positions his ball at low point? For a Hitter using the Arc of Approach? How might these Hitters differ in terms of elbow position? Club shaft Plane Angle? Club head plane angle? Pivot participation?
There are 4B Hitters , there are 12-1 rs , there are Angle of Approachers , Hitters using the Arc of Approach , there are options, lots of options .......lots...
Got to be careful with Homers "Swinging vs Hitting". In 6-H-0 for instance he's talking True Swinging vs Drive Loading not Swinging vs Hitting general per say. In the above quote he's talking Drag vs Drive Loading , Arc of Approach vs Angle of Approach ( as an aside you can Hit and use the Arc) and assuming a certain grip type, wedges 90 degrees etc. So to answer your question , 4B Drag then Drive is a different animal, neither 12-1 nor 12-2.
Here's one for you. You say Angle of Approach is cross line, closed plane line (correctly) and then show photos of Arnie hitting a driver. Assuming Arnie positioned his ball at low point with that driver........If the Angle of Approach is a straight line from Impact to Low point .........wouldnt it, the angle of approach be straight line , square, inline with the target line?
And what are the implications to the quote above given a Hitter using the Angle of Approach who positions his ball at low point? For a Hitter using the Arc of Approach? How might these Hitters differ in terms of elbow position? Club shaft Plane Angle? Club head plane angle? Pivot participation?
There are 4B Hitters , there are 12-1 rs , there are Angle of Approachers , Hitters using the Arc of Approach , there are options, lots of options .......lots...
You know more about this junk than me....I'm trying to figure out how you can HIT/DRIVE if the forearm is directly opposed to the secondary lever...in you questions above does the positioning of the right forearm eventually change? Or can you hit from deep pitch late? IMO if you are pitch...you are pulling...
You know more about this junk than me....I'm trying to figure out how you can HIT/DRIVE if the forearm is directly opposed to the secondary lever...in you questions above does the positioning of the right forearm eventually change? Or can you hit from deep pitch late? IMO if you are pitch...you are pulling...
Bucket,
Every time I see Strickers great alignments lately, I think of you and your discussion of THE KING in keeping the assembly lined up for the right shoulder to assist from behind the shaft. If I remember correctly though, he was discussed as primarily a swinger? I love his motion, what do you think, and do you think he fits well into your ideas?
Kevin
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You know more about this junk than me....I'm trying to figure out how you can HIT/DRIVE if the forearm is directly opposed to the secondary lever...in you questions above does the positioning of the right forearm eventually change? Or can you hit from deep pitch late? IMO if you are pitch...you are pulling...
I needlessly complicated things there no doubt, again, but my point is that there are so many variables . Homer's 12-1 and 12-2 are beautifully simple ,diametrically opposed , divided by the way the lag pressure is loaded and the location of the loading.... two separate identities as he put it. But in the wild you got goof balls cooking up all sorts of strange brew and some of it works pretty good too. You'd never want to teach some of this stuff but it does seem to work for those guys.
So yes agreed , from Pitch you can only Pull . Barring something entirely weird and pointless. See there I go again getting all complicated again.... Son of a ...
And yes agreed , assuming the wedges are 90 degrees to each other..... if you drive against #1 on the aft, you drive the whole Primary Lever. But ...a crap , sorry ....what about Driving against some other location? How 'bout against the Top? Direct Drive Out of #2 angle say the club shaft only. We're in the Lab now for sure with an X classification throw. If the left hand is turned to plane would you get something like a Swingers Left WRsit Throw? Sequenced? Rhetorical question there .. If this procedure works (and I know a guy who says it does and it sure likes it does when I watch him and by the way he says it still tends towards Simultaneous) wouldn't this form of Hitting be better paired with Drag Loading to load the Rotated Pressure Point the knuckle aligned to the top of the shaft? Sure seems to make sense to me.
In regard to the position of the Right Elbow it does seem to try to find the strongest position to accommodate what ever the heck the Active Right Arm is doing. The range of motion going from pure Fanning to pure inline Bending and all the in-between.
I don't know if Tiger is using a Right Arm Throw or not but on some videos he sure looks like his right arm is active to my eye. Hey do you have footage of that swing in question there? In the photo he does appear to be Pitch elbow..... Which would suggest he's not using an active Right ARm logically. But then again .... a fudge......
Every time I see Strickers great alignments lately, I think of you and your discussion of THE KING in keeping the assembly lined up for the right shoulder to assist from behind the shaft. If I remember correctly though, he was discussed as primarily a swinger? I love his motion, what do you think, and do you think he fits well into your ideas?
Kevin
Nice observation....Stricker's wedges are THE MODEL for Eddie Cox Hitting Pattern....big angles not acute angles...have a look at his stats....cat is a BIRDIE MACHINE....he doesn't hit the driver all that well...I submit because he gets the left arm above his shoulder line...mixes his components...short irons...BEAUTIFUL alignments!
I love this. O.k. Bucket, are you sort of saying don't throw it away from your right shoulder, but to drive it with your right shoulder?
Thanks.
Yes sir....but not just "the right shoulder"...right shoulder being all that musckle stuff...back, chest...etc.
If you are right handed and you are getting ready to push your fridge, what would you do? Try it out and holla back...launching pad vs fly wheel...pivoting to push vs. pivoting to pull.
Yes sir....but not just "the right shoulder"...right shoulder being all that musckle stuff...back, chest...etc.
If you are right handed and you are getting ready to push your fridge, what would you do? Try it out and holla back...launching pad vs fly wheel...pivoting to push vs. pivoting to pull.
I'm with you O.B. Keep 'er close and push away.
Being in Yoda's crowd is pure G.O.L.F. Nirvana.
Nice observation....Stricker's wedges are THE MODEL for Eddie Cox Hitting Pattern....big angles not acute angles...have a look at his stats....cat is a BIRDIE MACHINE....he doesn't hit the driver all that well...I submit because he gets the left arm above his shoulder line...mixes his components...short irons...BEAUTIFUL alignments!
Thanks for the reply Bucket! Your posts are very much appreciated!
Kevin
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Nice observation....Stricker's wedges are THE MODEL for Eddie Cox Hitting Pattern....big angles not acute angles...have a look at his stats....cat is a BIRDIE MACHINE...
Strickers alignments should be the model for almost everybody maybe. Certainly the average golfer. You're right Bucket , we all tend to want Pitch , Snap and for most of us its beyond our grasp.
Theres a perception out there that Homer was all about "lag" as left wrist cock deep into the swing.... which is wrong on many levels.
I heard a story about this one time Homer was teaching a group of guys and talking about the Turning Shoulder Plane (you know like Furyk , it was a more popular type swing back in the early 80's) Anyways one of the students , a Mr. McSomething tells a story about a woman who keeps coming for lessons but when he sees her playing on her own she's back to the Turning Shoulder Plane stuff again. Mr McSomething then asks Homer , something to the effect of "what should I do in that circumstance?". Homer's answer? "Why don't you teacher her better Turning Shoulder Plane alignments".
This to mind is telling about the sort of lesson you might get from Homer personally.
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