I heard a story about this one time Homer was teaching a group of guys and talking about the Turning Shoulder Plane (you know like Furyk , it was a more popular type swing back in the early 80's) Anyways one of the students , a Mr. McSomething tells a story about a woman who keeps coming for lessons but when he sees her playing on her own she's back to the Turning Shoulder Plane stuff again. Mr McSomething then asks Homer , something to the effect of "what should I do in that circumstance?". Homer's answer? "Why don't you teacher her better Turning Shoulder Plane alignments".
This to mind is telling about the sort of lesson you might get from Homer personally.
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Where is the book reference for this? I was thinking I could find it but couldn't...holla back!
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Ya Im having some problems with that one too .... Ive got a bunch of posts I could point you to however.
In 2-M-3 below he mentions adding Pivot Thrust to Power Package Thrust for want of a longer club.... adding a Right Shoulder Throw to the Hitters Thrust etc. The bolded part confuses me ...what else is new.
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2-M-3 MUSCLES Unless Pivot Thrust actually drives #4 Accumulator through Impact, its assignment during that interval is more clearly defined if considered as delivery, guidance and support of the Power Package, because it may or may not have contributed anything but motion during Delivery. The Pattern of the Stroke being used designates where Thrust is to originate and that is completely the player’s option. See 10-4 and 10-19. Pivot Thrust alone (2-K), forfeits Right Arm Thrust (6-B-1). Power Package Thrust alone (6-0), forfeits Momentum Transfer (2-K). Only with the driver must you use both Pivot Thrust and Power Package Thrust for the lack of a longer Club. In which case – to Pivot Thrust add a strong Pressure Point #4 thrust per 10-19-C. Or to Power Package Thrust add the Shoulder Turn per 2-M-4. Study 4-D-0, 6-B-2-B, and 10-4-D in this connection.
Here's some posts from Ted and Lynn that show Drag then Drive references.
Ya Im having some problems with that one too .... Ive got a bunch of posts I could point you to however.
In 2-M-3 below he mentions adding Pivot Thrust to Power Package Thrust for want of a longer club.... and adding a Right Shoulder Throw to the Hitters Power Package Thrust etc. The bolded part confuses me ...what else is new.
Here's some posts from Ted and Lynn that show Drag then Drive references.
This could certainly use more reference support and detailed discussion...
Book reference, audio tape, quotes? The book seems to steer clear of it maybe.
Ted in the quote above mentions that in the audio tapes Homer revealed that Drag Loading , the Swingers Start Down was "advantageous" for both Hitting and Swinging.
I dont see how a strong pivot like say Arnie's could not be considered #4 power. Pulling. Left Arm. Maybe if the left arm was bent? I dunno.
Book reference, audio tape, quotes? The book seems to steer clear of it maybe.
Ted in the quote above mentions that in the audio tapes Homer revealed that Drag Loading , the Swingers Start Down was "advantageous" for both Hitting and Swinging.
I dont see how a strong pivot like say Arnie's could not be considered #4 power. Pulling. Left Arm. Maybe if the left arm was bent? I dunno.
I have a different take....if it is pushing....could the pivot not push the left arm???
I have a different take....if it is pushing....could the pivot not push the left arm???
Sorry maybe I screwed things up.
Im talking about Drag Loading then Drive Out. The Swingers Startdown the right shoulder pushing the left shoulder around which pulls the Left ARm and power package down plane, loading the lag pressure point followed by a muscular Drive Out Action, Right ARm Throw . Here in Release yes the Right Arm pushes against the Primary Lever (left arm and club).
Im talking about Drag Loading then Drive Out. The Swingers Startdown the right shoulder pushing the left shoulder around which pulls the Left ARm and power package down plane, loading the lag pressure point followed by a muscular Drive Out Action, Right ARm Throw . Here in Release yes the Right Arm pushes against the Primary Lever (left arm and club).
This all sounds Switty to me? The question is...is the motion of the right shoulder inhererntly different for Swinging vs. Hitting? Is Fly Wheel motion different than Launching Pad motion?..........if it weren't.......why draw the distinction?
This all sounds Switty to me? The question is...is the motion of the right shoulder inhererntly different for Swinging vs. Hitting? Is Fly Wheel motion different than Launching Pad motion?..........if it weren't.......why draw the distinction?
Homer wasn't a big fan of Drag then Drive 4B Hitting. But its still not as conflicted as Pull and PUsh at the same time in Release . Its usable for power shots.
Yes , Fly wheel and launching pad are very different in terms of shoulder motion, movement. Thats classic 3B stuff. When you go 4B Hitting ..... introduce Shoulder Work instead of Motion to Hitting its a different animal. High powered but somewhat conflicted. Arnie takes his Right Shoulder right on through the shot to my eye while he's Thrusting a Right Arm Throw. So does Luke and a bunch of guys on tv.
Luke likens it to having your launching pad on the move for added power. The problem with it is created back in Startdown however.... if you go to End load the Rotated Lag Pressure Point and Drag it all down plane to Release ..... classic Drag Loading .... you're not likely to be aligned to PUSH on the Aft towards the Aiming Point. You need to make compensational moves or alignments , grip change etc. You can get it all done but Homer asked "why bother". Its a question that was more relevant in his era maybe or for the amateur golfer? I dunno.
In short the distinction was drawn by Homer as part of the two [b]uncompensated [/B} basic swing patterns , one pushing one pulling , 12-1 and 12-2. Beautiful things. 3B things. Don't frig with them till you have them mastered.
Homer wasn't a big fan of Drag then Drive 4B Hitting. But its still not as conflicted as Pull and PUsh at the same time in Release . Its usable for power shots.
Yes , Fly wheel and launching pad are very different in terms of shoulder motion, movement. Thats classic 3B stuff. When you go 4B Hitting ..... introduce Shoulder Work instead of Motion to Hitting its a different animal. High powered but somewhat conflicted. Arnie takes his Right Shoulder right on through the shot to my eye while he's Thrusting a Right Arm Throw. So does Luke and a bunch of guys on tv.
Luke likens it to having your launching pad on the move for added power. The problem with it is created back in Startdown however.... if you go to End load the Rotated Lag Pressure Point and Drag it all down plane to Release ..... classic Drag Loading .... you're not likely to be aligned to PUSH on the Aft towards the Aiming Point. You need to make compensational moves or alignments , grip change etc. You can get it all done but Homer asked "why bother". Its a question that was more relevant in his era maybe or for the amateur golfer? I dunno.
In short the distinction was drawn by Homer as part of the two [b]uncompensated [/B} basic swing patterns , one pushing one pulling , 12-1 and 12-2. Beautiful things. 3B things. Don't frig with them till you have them mastered.
I'd debate you on this one....I think the right shoulder motion is entirely different regardless of the number of barrels being used.....
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