"Swinging is Pulling and Hitting is Pushing and thats all."
It is possible to Pull, (Pitch Elbow) and Actively extend the Right Arm. If the Right Elbow leads its pulling isnt it?
Right Arm Swinging. Its not the safest of Right Elbow alignments, tending to muscle tear. You wouldnt pull a car by attaching your right hand to the side of the car and attempting to throw it forward. You wouldnt throw a shot putt. But it can be done for golf. Homer said it was a "beautiful" method, but he also warned of its potential for elbow injury. Not a certainty by any means but there is the potential.
It still sounds like an active move with the right arm which I contend is not swinging. I am probably not literal to the book but thats my take.
You cant do both pulling and pushing in a swing the way I see it. The right arm is just keeping up with the left arm blast off and thus would not be able to thrust. I am sure this thought is nothing new around here.
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Take my word for it! You can hurt your right elbow if you hit with a pitch right elbow position. BUT. you can hit with a punch position after pulling.
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Yup, me too. Had to start wearing my old squash, arm band for a while.
Now, when Im hitting it is most often not Drive Loading per 12-1. I employ a Swingers Startdown, Drag Loading then a Right Arm Throw. Drag then Drive with a Punch elbow and a late Random Sweep Release.....well as late as I can get it anyways. The earlier I Thrust against the #1 the earlier the Left Hand comes off the Inclined Plane, the earlier I Release, the more Push like my elbow. As if the Right Elbow aligns itself for pushing if I Release earlier. Although lately Ive slipped into an Automatic Release which maybe has me swinging..... Whether Im swinging or hitting is a fine line divided by the employment of the Right Arm Throw or not. They look very similar on tape , maybe if I stuck with Swinging for a while I'd approach a more Pitch like Right Elbow alignment but ......I keep going back and forth on Thrusting and so my elbow is Punch. I dont have much feel for #2 angle or the delay of, its more active Right Elbow in perception and feel for me.
There's this debate in some circles as to whether you can Pull and Push at the same time........ I'd say you can for pure Radial Acceleration , putting say for instance, but why would you want to for such a low powered shot? You can not employ Longitudinal Acceleration and Radial Acceleration at the same time , they are mutually exclusive. And so, you cant Drag and Drive Load at the same time from Top. One or the other or Drag then Drive later.
These debates always come down to definition. Homer wasnt wrong about it if you stick to his terminology and definitions. If you Radially accelerate Longitudinal Acceleration is over. Another way of saying this that you can only Push and Pull at the same time if you are pushing and pulling in the same direction. Pulling from Top , Drag Loading and Pushing, Drive Loading are not similarly Aligned. They bend the shaft along different axis.....90 degrees to each other. A "quarter turn" on the shaft , each with their own associated Lag Pressure Point location and Right Forearm alignment for support. All a product of the direction of Loading alone not because of a "quarter turn" of anything. Top or aft of shaft.......you cant load them both at the same time.
Before I understood this I used to like the feel of loading my #3pp at the index finger, trigger finger, first joint on the way back which had me over swiveling it under plane. It felt good but was wrong, a false feel if you will. Now I load the knuckle and presto Im on plane. No more wagging it under plane like Ray Floyd. I changed a feel and fixed my direction of Loading and Plane compliance. But like I said I Drag Load in Startdown, dont load the knuckle if you are a Drive Loader.
I do agree that most Hitters have some pulling going on, Bernt. But not necessarily all of them. And so , I think to be perfectly accurate you'd have to change the "is" to "can be" in your statement above.
Drive Loading is Pushing and Drag Loading is Pulling and thats all. To paraphrase Homer Kelley. Axe handle vs Rope Handle , Radial vs Longitudinal.
Homer was careful to make the distinction between Drive vs Drag in his "bare bones" identification of the alternate Basic Patterns of 12-1 and 12-2. He didnt label them Hitting and Swinging, after all. 12-1 isnt the only way to Hit but its the bare boned fundamental , Push only place to start. A place from which to graduate and build upon or a place to happily stay forever. Its up to you. There's nothing wrong with 12-1 somewhat rare though it is. Homer thought we'd all become Drive Loading enthusiasts actually. He loved it that much. Most of us dont give it enough of a chance maybe. Perhaps its hard to turn off all the pulling we've been doing previously. Perhaps its the pivot centric golf magazines or the effects of acid rain? I dont know.
There is an account of Homer on a driving range , asking an early A.I. to show him Hitting. When the man took it past Top to End Homer stopped him and insisted that he stop at Top........this was something that puzzled me as I always go to End when I hit. I've since concluded that Homer wasnt looking for just any Hitting pattern but rather he was expecting 12-1. Drive Loading. He did expect his A.I.s to teach 12-1 after all not just gloss over it. And in that case , Drive Loading from End is not a good idea as you have to wait for your Hands to get back to Top, on the top of the straight line Delivery Path before they can start to Drive. They need a clear straight line shot at the Aiming Point. Its a beautiful and simple pattern.
I do agree that most Hitters have some pulling going on, Bernt. But not necessarily all of them. And so , I think to be perfectly accurate you'd have to change the "is" to "can be" in your statement above.
Drive Loading is Pushing and Drag Loading is Pulling and thats all. To paraphrase Homer Kelley. Axe handle vs Rope Handle , Radial vs Longitudinal.
Homer was careful to make the distinction between Drive vs Drag in his "bare bones" identification of the alternate Basic Patterns of 12-1 and 12-2. He didnt label them Hitting and Swinging, after all. 12-1 isnt the only way to Hit but its the bare boned fundamental , Push only place to start. A place from which to graduate and build upon or a place to happily stay forever. Its up to you. There's nothing wrong with 12-1 somewhat rare though it is. Homer thought we'd all become Drive Loading enthusiasts actually. He loved it that much. Most of us dont give it enough of a chance maybe. Perhaps its hard to turn off all the pulling we've been doing previously. Perhaps its the pivot centric golf magazines or the effects of acid rain? I dont know.
O.B., is 4 barrell hitting, like YODA, pulling with #4 from top then pushing with #1, or is it just a feeling of using #4 along with #1?
Thanks,
Kevin
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O.B., is 4 barrell hitting, like YODA, pulling with #4 from top then pushing with #1, or is it just a feeling of using #4 along with #1?
Thanks,
Kevin
But even if the beginning of the downswing is initiated by a pull it cannot release the club via CF or you could never use the pushing force of the right arm.
Watch a guy like Mickelson and VJ, their right arm is barely able to keep up, they could not be a four barrel player even if they wanted to.
I see why its very tricky to be a four barrel player, you have to blast off with #4 but with so much force that you outrace the right arm and have the club release without #1.
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O.B., is 4 barrell hitting, like YODA, pulling with #4 from top then pushing with #1, or is it just a feeling of using #4 along with #1?
Thanks,
Kevin
Drag then Drive would be four accumulators yes. Pulling then pushing in feel and in real. Overlapping Release with the Right Arm Throw. Its "pushing" but the arm motion itself is really more similar to a side arm throw. Fanning and bending not just an inline Push Basic thing. Shot putting. You pull with your Pivot , ground up and Drag the Hands down Plane .......it feels to me like the pivot pulls the #2pp. With the left hand turned to plane. The Lag Loaded at the knuckle along the top of the shaft. The shaft bending along the top/bottom axis with the change in direction.......Homer described it as "throwing the club against your knuckle" somewhere......cant find it. You feel the PIvot pull at the #2pp and the #3 at the Knuckle senses the Lag PRESSURE, the inertia to the change in directions. The pivot (Slide with a Delayed Turn) stops the Hands backwards travel so I try to Slide early in a Trolio Hogan kinda way. Axis Tilt lowering the Right Shoulder. The slide gets my weight on my left side early if it doesnt just stay there (depends on the shot) All the stuff of the Startdown Waggle, the best drill in golf.
Yoda stops at Top Hitting or Swinging ..... I sure like that but still go all the way to End, changes are hard to make. So I have to work a lot harder to not Release too early. He's Snap, Im Random Sweep. Yoda's first and foremost a Drag Loading Swinger so he's got that Active Left Wrist thing whereas Im more Right Elbow. I see golf as a right sided game with a frozen right wrist. He's got a world class flail , I dont. I cant hit a shot with just my left arm on the club to save my life. Its something Im going to do a lot of over the winter actually. I want to get more Longitudinal, rope Handle to Delay Release. There is no CF throwout during Longitudinal .....once the club moves outside the hands it Releases. Just topples over.
I havent noticed any significant distance increase really. Im just as long three barrel Id say. I have it all ramped way down though compared to some of the guys Luke teaches who are leaving nothing behind. There's a difference. Im smooth and slow like say Ernie Els (and far too frequently like Ernie of Bert and Ernie )
But even if the beginning of the downswing is initiated by a pull it cannot release the club via CF or you could never use the pushing force of the right arm.
Watch a guy like Mickelson and VJ, their right arm is barely able to keep up, they could not be a four barrel player even if they wanted to.
I see why its very tricky to be a four barrel player, you have to blast off with #4 but with so much force that you outrace the right arm and have the club release without #1.
Hi Greg,
That must be why Yoda says you can be a 4 barrel hitter but not a 4 barrel swinger??? I'm just trying to figure out when a 4 barrel hitter fires #4, or at least what the "feel" is...
Kevin
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Drag then Drive would be four accumulators yes. Overlapping Release with the Right Arm Throw. But before you get all excited about winning the Remax, I havent noticed any significant distance increase. I have it all ramped way down though compared to the guys like Luke teaches who are leaving nothing behind. There's a difference. Im smooth and slow like say Ernie Els (and quite often like Ernie of Bert and Ernie too.)
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Thanks OB. The speed YODASLUKE creates is amazing!
BTW, I have no illusions of winning the REMAX, I just want to be able to keep it up with the girl scouts again!
Kevin
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