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Old 10-07-2006, 10:56 AM
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Search for the Perfect Swing claims Kel Nagle is in a perfect in plane position above. The ball, #4 Pressure Point, Left arm, hands, shaft and clubhead appear in a straight line.
The B photo shows the shaft and clubhead well off plane.
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These are nice pictures, however, with any pictures, or video dealing with PLANE, the camera positions(angle and height), must be exactly right, and the LINE must be drawn in the correct place.

Cut a circle in a sheet of plastic stretched onto a rectangular flat surface. Prop it up on the angle of your clubshaft. get inside there. You will start to see what Mr. Kelley is talking about.

You can prop the plane up different angles, and it can still work. Actually, as long as the clubshaft and sweetspot get on the plane angle a little before you get to IMPACT, many variations can work.

You can in theory, stay on one angle the whole time. Most people, however, have some shifting of angles. Jim Furyk, shifts angles very obviously. Tiger Woods, has a less obvious shift.

The Plane is discussed in 10-6 and 10-7 in TGM.
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Old 10-08-2006, 03:55 AM
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Actually, as long as the clubshaft and sweetspot get on the plane angle a little before you get to IMPACT, many variations can work.
You can in theory, stay on one angle the whole time. Most people, however, have some shifting of angles. Jim Furyk, shifts angles
very obviously. Tiger Woods, has a less obvious shift.
Is that many variations of Plane Angle can work in the one swing? and do all these Plane Angle Variations hinge like a door on the Low
Point Plane Line during the swing?

Which Plane Angle Variation is Steve Elkington using in these photos and is it usual for the hands to move so far downplane from the Address
position?
Why does he not shank here?



Thanks lagster.
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Old 10-08-2006, 02:24 PM
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I believe these pictures are from before Mr. Elkington changed his swing. He did pretty well with this one.

It would be interesting to see a comparison with the changes he has made in the last few years. I believe he is working with Mr. Plummer and/or his colleague.

Here Mr. Elkington appears to set up on a HANDS PLANE, with the right forearm off plane. He then shifts to a steeper plane at the TOP or END, probably a Turned Shoulder Plane.

On the Downswing... it's a little hard to tell by those pictures, but he either stays on the Turned Shoulder, or Shifts down to the Elbow Plane by Impact. The right forearm appears to be off plane at the next to last picture, but may get on later.

If the camera was not on plane, things can appear to be as they are not.

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