The Finish Swivel

[metallion]

I'm no expert, but I would think the slab of grass should go left.

I'll certainly be more observant on that in the future. Is it that the secret is in the dirt - and in the trajectory of the slab.

I always thought the divots should point and fly to the right - so I really appreciated the post by Yoda. That is how our common sense is aometimes our worst enemy.

[neil]

I'll certainly be more observant on that in the future. Is it that the secret is in the dirt - and in the trajectory of the slab.

I always thought the divots should point and fly to the right - so I really appreciated the post by Yoda. That is how our common sense is aometimes our worst enemy.

I would say divots should fly staight/slightly left depending upon hinge action.

[Yoda]

You can spend years "digging it out of the dirt" to learn about this invaluble information.

Or you can hang out at LBG.

The choice is obvious .

I gotta tell ya...

The only reason I 'got there first' -- you would have gotten there eventually on your own -- is because in a 1982 telephone conversation with The Man...

I asked about a phrase he used ("Let's all replace one geometrically carved divot...") in his June 1981 G.O.L.F. Bulletin* for Authorized Instructors.

I thought that 1-L #13 and #14 meant that Divots should point to the right.

But I was wrong, and he told me so.

As I have told you.
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* Perhaps The Golfing Machine, LLC could one day re-publish these copyrighted Bulletins, ideally for everyone, but at least for its Authorized Instructors. Homer Kelley published four -- June and September 1981 and April and December 1982. In March 1986, Sally Kelley resumed the operation and published at least four more. The last I have is dated October 1989. There may be others.

[Yoda]

Great stuff. How about wrapping up by discussing in which direction the slab of grass (or piece of cartpath) should be flying - relative to the target line and/or the initial ball direction? Or did you just say that? On Line Divot

I would say that the Line-of-Flight of the Divot depends on the C.O.R. (Coefficient of Restitution) of the Divot.

The shorter the time the Divot stays on the Face of the Club -- or the more Inside-Out the Impact -- the more it will tend to fly to the right of Target (on the Angle of Approach). The longer the time the Divot stays on the Face -- or the less Inside-Out the Impact -- the more it will tend to exit to the left of the Target (on the Arc of Approach which may well be left of the Angle of Approach).

Bottom Line:

Keep your Left Wrist Flat (Left Forearm and Clubshaft In-Line / Rhythm per 2-G -- Roll, No Roll or Reverse Roll Feel) while you Trace the Straight Plane Line with your Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point Lag Pressure.

Let the Divots fall where they may.

[jim_0068]

Divots should have 3 directions to them if you are using horizontal hinge action:

1) slightly open at begining of divot
2) goes fairly straight all the way to low point
3) begins to turn left due to the full roll and swivel

However as Yoda and I have conversed about something similar before (how big your divots should be) it all depends if you TRULY stay "down" until low point.

[hg]

Divots should have 3 directions to them if you are using horizontal hinge action:

1) slightly open at begining of divot
2) goes fairly straight all the way to low point
3) begins to turn left due to the full roll and swivel

However as Yoda and I have conversed about something similar before (how big your divots should be) it all depends if you TRULY stay "down" until low point.

....bacon strips or pork chops?

[Yoda]

....bacon strips or pork chops?

Divot depth is a function of Ball Location, Plane Angle and Clubface Loft. The further back in the Stance you position the Ball, the steeper the Plane Angle and the greater the Loft of the Club, the more your Divots will tend toward 'pork chops.' The reverse is true for 'bacon strips.'

[Amen Corner]

Yoda,

If I only could copy your swing.......

Do both Hitters and Swinger have the same Swivel Action?

[Yoda]

Do both Hitters and Swinger have the same Swivel Action?

Hitters and Swingers have the same Finish Swivel.

And Swingers using Standard Wrist Action also have a Start Up (Turn) and Release (Roll) Swivel.

But the Hitter avoids both, and instead uses Single Wrist Action (10-18-C #2). This keeps his right palm (and #3 Pressure Point) 'facing the Ball' as long as possible (until the natural action of the Pivot and Arm swing bring both the Left and Right palms On Plane at the Top). The Downstroke reverses this motion and brings the player into Release in position to 'slap the Ball with the palm of the Right Hand.' It is this action that causes the Simultaneous Release Motion (Uncock and Roll) of 4-D-0.

[tongzilla]

...Hitter...uses Single Wrist Action (10-18-C #2). This keeps his right palm (and #3 Pressure Point) 'facing the Ball' as long as possible (until the natural action of the Pivot and Arm swing bring both the Left and Right palms On Plane at the Top).

Yoda, can you please elaborate on what you mean by bringing the Left and Right palms On Plane at the Top?

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