Vijay's 'Wrong' Move -- the Infamous Flat Right Wrist

[wanole]

thanks...so the club should be on the plane line on frame 7 too?

So if you were trying to get VJ on the right path, where would you start?

[annikan skywalker]

Where would I start...Change his perception of Plane...In the Off season work on Stage1's and Stage 2's to get the Right Forearm, #3PP, and the Sweetspot Tracing the Plane Line...Then we would work on Rhythm/Hinge Action instead of executing Impact to Follow-Through as a "swivel"...Finally work with him on the right elbow/right hip coordination...by way of correcting when the "Tailbone" when and how it begins to extend...His Tailbone extension is slightly early causing the right elbow/right hip collision and the slight rounghousing of the forearm off the plane and shiftin to another ..checkout Frames#5 vs,Frame #7.....
Then his hands will have to be re-educated to the new alignments/relationships...

Oh yeah I think his Left Arm tends too swing downward and Forward a little INDEPENDENTLY....Man is this hard to adjust....

Typical Tour Player response...

Now...Keep it Simple....

cause I gotta get on a plane and go play in a tournament next week...

and guess what after a few swings on the range and asking their peers and their peers coaches to take a look...

Your advice just drifts away into the sunset...while this typical tour player/junkie searches for his next fix!!! Or PIMP!!!


how do I know...been there ....done that...

[ChrisNZ]

Finally work with him on the right elbow/right hip coordination...by way of correcting when the "Tailbone" when and how it begins to extend...His Tailbone extension is slightly early causing the right elbow/right hip collision and the slight rounghousing of the forearm off the plane and shiftin to another ..checkout Frames#5 vs,Frame #7.....

Annikan,

You posts are always very interesting! Would you mind explaining what you mean by tailbone extension?

Chris

[annikan skywalker]

When one is bending forward this is called Flexion...when one begins to move from being bent forward to standing up it is called Extension...thus if you compare photos#5 of both Mac and VJ you would see a remarkable difference in the Sacrum/Tailbone.


Here's VJ
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Here's Mac

[jim_0068]

Annikan...i want to play devil's advocate here.

What do you think would be more time consuming? Perfecting his "off swing" to stay #2 in the world, or changing the problems with his swing?

[phillygolf]

If you and Philly make the trip and More Caddyshack quotes

Now Dave...you know I am there!!!!!!! You and Eddie are my boys!

Mickey Rivers, damn...Philly and I will start painting the "Magic Forearm Bus" and hit the road with U2 and Elvis Costello CDs playing loud. I'll play Cheech and Philly will be Chong.

Still need to call Pat- where is the guy?

Watching the detectives, thats where!!!!
We're there!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK here's why I VJ is XXX-Rated in my opinion: The red arrow is for frames #5 and #7 ONLY to indicate clubhead location ...Not anything else..so don't read too far into it...Now the delivery path of the hands is on-plane but the clubhead/sweetspot is below plane in fram#5....the Hands are on the plane in frame #7 the below and left of the hand path on frame #7.....there for so the plane line be kept straight both the #3 Pressure point and the sweetspot plane need to be tracing the same line..not 2 different lines...Thus a Bent plane line...is XXX-Rated!!!

BTW ...Notice the Hinge Action of the clubface....Frames #2,#5,&#7


See some differences or incompatiblity???? I Do!!!

A litte...but due to body motion more then anything.

What do you think would be more time consuming? Perfecting his "off swing" to stay #2 in the world, or changing the problems with his swing?

Great point Jim!!!!

Dave...rather then pick apart why Vijay isnt perfect. Why dont we take a look at why it works?

Possibly the best ballstriker on tour, minus some of the shorter hitters.

OK here's why I VJ is XXX-Rated in my opinion: The red arrow is for frames #5 and #7 ONLY to indicate clubhead location ...Not anything else..so don't read too far into it...Now the delivery path of the hands is on-plane but the clubhead/sweetspot is below plane in fram#5....the Hands are on the plane in frame #7 the below and left of the hand path on frame #7.....there for so the plane line be kept straight both the #3 Pressure point and the sweetspot plane need to be tracing the same line..not 2 different lines...Thus a Bent plane line...is XXX-Rated!!!

BTW ...Notice the Hinge Action of the clubface....Frames #2,#5,&#7


See some differences or incompatiblity???? I Do!!!

What about frame 6? A little steep in the forearm?

I am trying to follow...but dont see him that offplane....helP!

[annikan skywalker]

Jim...

Outstanding Post....Leave the swing alone..stay #2 in the world...beat more balls...

Why does it work...He's got a lot of talent..and knows how to be fairly repetitive and like all tour players has a COMPLETE Package...Putting,chipping , Pitching, Bunker Play, Irons, Driving,Power, finesse, guts,determination, fire,confidence,belief,will,heart,focus,patience,c oordination,flexibility,strength,endurance,spEED, MONEY, SUPPORT, FAMILY,ECONMIC STABLILITY,Ability to stay in the present

Philly see you soon...

I wasn't meaning to pick it apart after all the thread is VJ infamous wrong move...just supplying some support evidence as to why Frame #7 happens...


Great to know you're stil out there lurking

[wanole]

I could sak a 1,000 questions because this is real interesting, but let's start with the firt part of the swing after set-up.

So in those pics VJ isn't tracing the plane on the take-away? I can't tell with my eye, so what do you see that tells you this?
Isn't he on the elbow plane halfway back and shoulder plane up top?

[annikan skywalker]

Wanole...

VJ's Takeaway is on-plane during the takeaway..see how the sweetspot is tracing up the plane angle as well as his hand path...BUT ....it is Single Wrist Action using Angled Hinging going back...Is the club on-plane in the follow-through and is it Angled Hinging in the Follow-Through? NO!!!


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Notice the Plane of the right forearm at frame #5...Notice how it has shifted to another plane in frame #7...this is what a cross-line shift looks like...

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Now look at Mac frame#5,#6,#7...see the right forearm is still tracing/paddlewheeling on the same plane!!!

[wanole]

gotcha...sorry to ask so many questions, but this is clearing up tons of fog.

So is VJ doing something worng on the downswing to put him in that position? Also, I seem to get "stuck" like that. How do you go about getting someone from a good position at top to getting to like Mac in frame 5?

Thanks for your time.