Max Distance Hitting

[MizunoJoe]

JT,

You ask, "can hitters be natural drawers of the ball?" The answer is no because of the layback action of Angled Hinging. However, you can close the clubface sufficiently and line up closed to the target in order to move the ball from right to left toward the target using a PULL HOOK. OR, you can develop the skill to manipulate the clubface and use a Horizontal Hinge in order to Hit a TRUE DRAW.

[JohnThomas1]

Ah ok, thanks MJ. You state pretty much what i thought i had heard. So in order to draw naturally when hitting i have to use the compensation of introducing horizontal hinging. I just saw where you said you had the skill to do this, and kudo's to you. It might be a bit beyond me for a while tho. I'd say then that i was below plane the other day. Thanks again Joe

John

[MizunoJoe]

JT1,

It's not that I'm particularly skillful, the fact is that it's just NOT that difficult!

[MBCpro]

Fella's,
Don't forget about the ball position's effect to the various hinge actions.

Todd

[MizunoJoe]

Fella's,
Don't forget about the ball position's effect to the various hinge actions.

Todd

First, I've never been successful Hitting a draw by moving the ball back and using an Angled Hinge. And secondly, assuming you can do it, just how far back do you move it for any particular club? For me, that guesstimation based on club, amount of draw wanted, unlevel lie, etc is much harder than simply using Horizontal Hinging with a normal ball position.

[MBCpro]

MJ,
Because you have not been successful with something does not make it wrong, you seem to be using your feel for your motion to instruct. This can be dangerous.
The beauty of TGM is that it allows for such individual motions, it is great that you can horizontal hinge with a hitting motion, but as far as someone else, they may not be able to make such adjustments. In the long run compatable components will always be the way to go.
The way I find out how much to change ball postion is by exploring the possibilities, trying this and that, just being a machine scientist.
By saying you have never been able to draw from a back ball position may lead me to believe you may not be hitting, but only you can correctly answer that question.
There are a quadrillion patterns in the book, if you find one that works for you great!!! Go for it, if it takes manipulations and you can make the on a consistent basis with ease that is wonderful. I tend to believe that if a player has the skill to do this, they could truly be great doing it the easiest way, but that being said to quote Mr. Kelley, "psychological needs must be met."

Just my thoughts,

Todd

[MizunoJoe]

Todd,

Homer said, "Hinge Action does NOT differentiate Hitting and Swinging". The all caps of "NOT" are Homer's, not mine. If what you say is true, Angled Hinging would be a REQUIREMENT for Hitting. So then, how would you execute and describe the valid Hor Hinge Hit? Note that I didn't describe a feel, but rather described a mechanical procedure.

You say, "The way I find out how much to change ball postion is by exploring the possibilities, trying this and that, just being a machine scientist." When on the course and faced with a unique set of circumstances, how do you explore the possibilities?

Please tell me how you can move the ball back, execute an Angled Hinge hitting the inside of the ball with an open clubface, and move the ball right to left.

[rrabick]

Originally posted by MizunoJoe:
Please tell me how you can move the ball back, execute an Angled Hinge hitting the inside of the ball with an open clubface, and move the ball right to left.

A question I am trying to wrap my head around as well!

I'm assuming this has to do with the natural 'laying back' action of the angled hinge motion?

rrabick

[MBCpro]

MJ,
I didn't say it was a requirement, if you read further from Mr. Kelley in 10-19-0, he says "All are interchangeable - with reservations. Hitters using Horizontal hinging must consciously resist the tendency of right arm paddlewheel action towards angled hinging". He goes on to say,"Both procedures require skill in clubface manipulation." The both refering to swingers using angled hinge action.
While we are at it lets look at 10-10-C Angled Hinge Action, Mr. Kelley writes "It greatly simplifies Hitting."
Like I said before if it works for you have at it!!
Just one more question for you what left wrist action do you use?

todd

[MizunoJoe]

10-18-F with the roll supplied with the right forearm.