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Look into my eyes, not around the eyes but into my eyes...3, 2, 1, you're a chimp
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke
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I find a very big visual difference in what the eyes perceive when the head is swaying versus the head turning. Most have the ability to move their eyes in the sockets...like this: If your eyes stayed fixed in the sockets, I could see that it would be hard to differentiate. I know your eyes do not.
I can focus my eyes on the tiny power light on my computer monitor and turn my head. As I turn my head, my eyes stay focused on the light. So, my eyes turn to the left as my head turns to the right.
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Sorry, I think I understand what you're getting at, but...The eyes needs to move in their sockets regardless of whether your head is turning or swaying if you want to look at the same spot. In your above example about focusing the eyes on the light of your computer, the eyes have to turn left (albeit different amounts) whether your head sways or turns. Actually, the amount of eye movement needed when you turn you head is less compared to swaying.
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke
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When swaying, even the smallest amount, I notice the sway. There is a visual difference.
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I'm sure you know when you sway your head, but I'm just a little skeptical that it's because you can sense how much your eyes have moved in their sockes. 
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08-15-2006, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
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I'm sure you know when you sway your head, but I'm just a little skeptical that it's because you can sense how much your eyes have moved in their sockes.
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It's not the amount of eye movement. It's all the changes in your field of vision, if you move.
Back on point... the more stationary the head, the less things change as you view them. The eyes help in this area.
The good thing about this site is that intelligent people can agree to disagree or find common ground. It doesn't have to become a urinating contest. We know that there are plenty of places to do that.
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08-19-2006, 02:29 PM
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Sergio's Swing Center Tripod
The current (September 2006) issue of Golf Digest features a swing sequence of Sergio Garcia, 2005 PGA TOUR leader in its most enviable statistic, Greens in Regulation.
If I'm not mistaken -- you be the judge -- Sergio is using the Homer Kelley-recommended Head Pivot Center (as opposed to its perfectly acceptable alternative, the Point-Between-the-Shoulders Pivot Center).
As has been the Lynn Blake Golf position from the beginning, the important point is not so much which Center a player chooses to use, but that he (or she) consciously selects (and ultimately relegates to subconcious control) at least some point at the top of the Pivot to stabilize its motion. But it is interesting, isn't it, that last year's greatest Ballstriker apparently has chosen the Head Pivot Center. 
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08-19-2006, 03:00 PM
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Ben Hogan's Pivot Center
Here's another pretty good 'stick' who, as his Golf Stroke matured, became more and more aware of the importance of a stable Pivot Swing Center.
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08-19-2006, 04:13 PM
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Buffalo Billy's Pivot Center
Here's a look at Billy Casper's action. For several years running in his career, there was much talk about The Big Three -- Nicklaus, Palmer, and Player -- but there was really a Big One...
Buffalo Billy.
Check out his Head Positon at the Top of each sequence...first the Wedge and then the Long Iron. Is it Centered? If so, that would be a Head Pivot Center for one of the great players of his time.
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08-19-2006, 08:28 PM
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Thanks for the effort Yoda! Finally some pictures that seem to support the Head Pivot Center.
It would be cool if someone out there has the Photoshop skills to impose two identical Tripods onto the Sergio pics.
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08-19-2006, 09:00 PM
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Should note that the two frames are of different sizes, the one on the right, is larger.
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08-19-2006, 09:25 PM
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"Hello World" -- Lynn Blake For Homer Kelley (In Absentia)
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Originally Posted by Martee
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Should note that the two frames are of different sizes, the one on the right, is larger.
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Damn, Martee, this "Kool-Aid" position from last year's greatest Ballstriker? Who, at 303.3 yards, was also 10th in Driving Distance?
I hate it when this happens!

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08-19-2006, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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Here's a look at Billy Casper's action. For several years running in his career, there was much talk about The Big Three -- Nicklaus, Palmer, and Player -- but there was really a Big One...
Buffalo Billy.
Check out his Head Positon at the Top of each sequence...first the Wedge and then the Long Iron. Is it Centered? If so, that would be a Head Pivot Center for one of the great players of his time.
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How about ole Billy Boy throwing the clubface at the ball with his 10-2-D Kung Fu Grip??? His follow through looks Furykie Zingerie.
Sorry off topic but couldn't help noticing a D-Grip Brotherin!
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08-20-2006, 11:23 AM
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