Finally someone answering my original question in a way I can understand. Can you please explain the difference- in layman's terms (non-TGM), between RFP and cocking the right elbow on the backswing? I'm starting to get it, but could use more precision and simplicity- AGAIN- I'm a total TGM-challenged golfer who is TRYING to understand (so please, guys- don't get frustrated by my ignorance!). Let me just put this out there and hope someone understands:
To start the backswing, I roll both arms together so that the clubface quickly points along the ball-to-target line. I think I'm doing the swivel. I could be wrong. Anyway, my next move after this roll is sort of a continued two-arm roll moving into a right elbow cocking, which completes my backswing. I'm sure my technique is riddled with errors. Can someone point them out and explain what I, as a swinger, should be doing?
I do not think of swivel or roll in the takeaway, those are bad news concepts for me, as I tend totake it back too far inside. I instead trace the plane line with my right forearm. Everything else responds and at the top I am on plane. If conscious elbow bending or rolling occur, I get off plane. Others probably have much better explanation, for me, less is best for backswing thoughts.
I do not think of swivel or roll in the takeaway, those are bad news concepts for me, as I tend totake it back too far inside. I instead trace the plane line with my right forearm. Everything else responds and at the top I am on plane. If conscious elbow bending or rolling occur, I get off plane. Others probably have much better explanation, for me, less is best for backswing thoughts.
Roger, when you trace the plane with your rt forearm, does your rt elbow stay pretty much in place, (so that your rt hand moves aft of your elbow)?
No, I try to let it "float". My issue is too inside, I try to feel that the elbow follows the right forearm, "up". It is a right forearm pickup according to the yellow book. I try to emphasize the up part in response to the right forearm tracing. I do not try to hold the elbow still as it tends to create too much tension for me and does not seem to contribute to extensor action. Another key is feeling that the left arm is a rope, not tense at all. If you trace the plane line, it puts everything in a great position.
Roger, to get a better feel for this place a head cover just above your right elbow and hold it against your side. I hope you are a righty golfer.Make some practice swings to see how your forearm moves while the elbow stays in place. See how this keeps your left arm taught. Once you get this feel then take some shots with out the cover.
You say you take it too inside: Make a plane line with a few golf clubs. Take your stance with a 7 Iron(with out a ball)Take the club approx. 1 foot back using the rfp. The club head should look from your view to be outside the plane line.
As an insider myself, you should think up,up,up at the start of your backswing................
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Hey guys! I'm a total TGM novice so forgive my ignorance, but I have a couple of questions I was hoping you could help me with.
-I'm a swinger, and have some backswing confusion. I start my backswing with a swivel (at least I try to) and then I COCK my right elbow up to complete my backswing.
Is this correct/o.k.?
Hi Hacker (great name! - I'm a hacker too, though not too hopeful!)
Some thoughts. I personally wouldn't try to swivel or not swivel or cock (folding) the arm or not. In otherwards, I think the goal is to be on plane. Generally, if you move it back on plane, swiveling will occur naturally, the right elbow will fold, left wrist will cock, etc. Now, when that occurs may be different for each person.
Originally Posted by hopefulhacker
Because I could do it another way, which would be to swivel, and then BRING THE WHOLE PACKAGE "UP" TO THE TOP- in other words, not "cock" my right arm at the elbow but rather move EVERYTHING- arms, hands, club, the whole shebang, as one unit, up and back until my left shoulder passes under my chin.
I hope I'm explaining this correctly- in one version, the cocking of my right elbow completes the backswing, in the other version, I move the entire package, without really cocking/bending the right elbow (at least not FEELING as if that's what I'm doing) underneath my chin.
It's two totally different feels.
Again, when it occurs may be irrelevant for now. On plane back to me is most important.
Originally Posted by hopefulhacker
Personally, I feel more comfortable with the "right-elbow-cocking-to-complete-my-backswing" version, but, to my novice TGM thinking, isn't concentrating on or feeling the right elbow cocking in the backswing a HITTER'S move? Is it o.k. for a swinger to have a backswing based on the right elbow cocking? Or am I mixing fundamentals? Please help!
Not sure about the 'hitters' move in regards to right elbow cocking (maybe it folds quicker), but...again, my feeling is, concentrate on making an onplane movement. I know sometimes I overanalyze my movement, and can get caught up in 'when' or 'how' rather than 'doing'. I mean, I may make an onplane motion and then question myself as to when my wrist cocks, hips clear, etc....when problably, the onplane motion should be my focus.
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