The aiming point concept can create off plane motion, lss pwer, cbface algnmnt issues

[whip]

Ict the aiming point can make your release automatic. The aim point can be utilized by simply picking a spot on the ground at, slightly in front of or slightly behind the ball. It is a very small range we're talking about here about a three inch range it's very precise. For the driver say have the aiming point slightly behind the ball and thrust the number three pressure point with a cocked left wrist directly at the aiming point this will create an automatic release and power can be metered out precisely. For a wedge move the aiming point slightly in front of the ball, 7 iron right at the ball. You will have to experiment with different aiming points for your own swing. However only once the mechanics of trigger delay and release are learned can you really utilize the aim point. Of course the farther forward the aim point the more delayed the release but don't get crazy with it, it's a small range this is where clampett and others got it wrong. You can't aim so far forward that there is no hinge no uncock and roll the release must sufficiently precede impact

[innercityteacher]

Ict the aiming point can make your release automatic. The aim point can be utilized by simply picking a spot on the ground at, slightly in front of or slightly behind the ball. It is a very small range we're talking about here about a three inch range it's very precise. For the driver say have the aiming point slightly behind the ball and thrust the number three pressure point with a cocked left wrist directly at the aiming point this will create an automatic release and power can be metered out precisely. For a wedge move the aiming point slightly in front of the ball, 7 iron right at the ball. You will have to experiment with different aiming points for your own swing. However only once the mechanics of trigger delay and release are learned can you really utilize the aim point. Of course the farther forward the aim point the more delayed the release but don't get crazy with it, it's a small range this is where clampett and others got it wrong. You can't aim so far forward that there is no hinge no uncock and roll the release must sufficiently precede impact

Does JB Holmes use an exaggerated aiming point as he shows the Golf Channel on his video? I will experiment. I was aiming my # 3 at the inside quadrant of the ball as I drove my shoulder and Power Package down.

ICT

[whip]

Does JB Holmes use an exaggerated aiming point as he shows the Golf Channel on his video? I will experiment. I was aiming my # 3 at the inside quadrant of the ball as I drove my shoulder and Power Package down.

ICT

NO this is just another example of an individual with quasi-tgm info that they got wrong. he is driving the hands to the impact hand location. this is NOT the aiming point.

that is a good place to aim it.. inside aft quadrant

[MizunoJoe]

mmm no, the hands still go down and out

Only until they start moving up and in, well before impact!!!

Any good slo-mo of a good player would do, but I've used this one to make the point more compelling. This is a very high fps video, and when the white-gloved left hand just reaches the right thigh, the left wrist is still fully cocked. When the white glove just reaches the zipper, the clubhead is still a full 4 feet from the ball and descending, and the hands are already starting to move upward!

There are many other examples on Youtube, which will show the same thing, some even more dramatic, but this is the Swing that held all 4 major titles at the same time, and is above reproach.

Seriously whip, you need to study this phenomenon, especially if you are teaching people to reach impact with the hands moving down and out.

[whip]

O u can't be serious, of course tiger does it with his god awful jump twist because he lunged down three feet and he's hitting the ball off a tee and the driver is much closer to low point than any other club sorry Joe not very compelling, just think about this ur telling a golfer to pull his hands up and the clubhead down during impact that's the last thing homer intended, the hands go down and out and continue to thrust down plane even in the follow through. Ok golfers I want u to hit down on the ball but right before impact I want u to pull up cuz mizunojoe told me I'm destroying your golf swing by telling you to hit down and out through impact... Lol. Regardless if any one player can demonstrate that the hands move up before impact to try an actually go up before impact is a disaster situation for a golfer, always always down and out through the ball. You need to study the golfing machine especially if you are going to post on a Tgm forum, heres the website where you can buy a book Joe www.thegolfingmachine.com

[MizunoJoe]

O u can't be serious, of course tiger does it with his god awful jump twist because he lunged down three feet and he's hitting the ball off a tee and the driver is much closer to low point than any other club sorry Joe not very compelling, just think about this ur telling a golfer to pull his hands up and the clubhead down during impact that's the last thing homer intended, the hands go down and out and continue to thrust down plane even in the follow through. Ok golfers I want u to hit down on the ball but right before impact I want u to pull up cuz mizunojoe told me I'm destroying your golf swing by telling you to hit down and out through impact... Lol. Regardless if any one player can demonstrate that the hands move up before impact to try an actually go up before impact is a disaster situation for a golfer, always always down and out through the ball. You need to study the golfing machine especially if you are going to post on a Tgm forum, heres the website where you can buy a book Joe www.thegolfingmachine.com

Just when I think you've made the most absurd comment possible, you top yourself with the next one!

[whip]

Do u have the book? What's absurd is u telling golfers to pull up the hands right before impact

[MizunoJoe]

Do u have the book? What's absurd is u telling to pull up the hands right before impact

I owned the book before you even existed.

I didn't say that it should be done as a deliberate action. It happens because impact hands location for a good swing is past low point of the hands, which are being pulled up and in by the left shoulder.

So, let's look at the Impact picture 9-3-10 on pg. 131 in the book(6th ed). Look at the white hand path and look at where the hands are at Impact - they are on the upward arc. They have passed their low point and are moving upward at Impact.

[whip]

I'll give u that and I understand the left shoulder is pulling upward however wether u meant it as a deliberate action or not this what golfers are reading and homer wants u to swing the hands down plane down down down. Sure the hand path of golfers may not ever be a straight line as in the straight line delivery path but the effort is a straight line and other instances the effort of what your Trying to accomplish for the desired results is what matters even if sometimes it is not as literal as some of the things in the book. Homer Said to not be a hacker u had to have a flat left wrist does this mean if u don't have a flat left wrist then u absolutely cannot hit a golf ball with power and accuracy. No it doesn't he cant say that but would I recommend otherwise, no would I recommend pulling the hands upward before impact, no I would tell any student to hit down an through the ball with a strong focus on the word down, maybe incidentally his hands will be minutely on the upswing at impact for a driver. fine but the effort should always be down and out.

[O.B.Left]

However where the problem begins is that the player’s perspective is not (visually) directly on the plane- your head is well above the angled plane looking down on it. That causes a condition or illusion whereby if you try to thrust towards the ball out on the plane line you can get you hands too far out from you, requiring you to un-cock your wrist, steepen the shaft plane and NOT have your hands moving on that single plane you had envisioned. It would un-cock your left wrist in a “reverse manner” i.e. hands moving up, not the club being pulled out – creating reduced power. In addition, the off-plane motion becomes a problem.

Nice to hear from you Mike . You've taken some time to compose this thread so I want to make the effort to understand you fully . I don't have an opinion to be frank , as I don't follow you. Nothing new in the world of Homer Kelley, eh?

Couple of questions for clarification :

-Are you saying the above will happen given an attempt to thrust along the eye line to the ball? The eye line to the ball being steeper than the plane angle.

-Dont understand how in your geometry the hands would be moving "up" and uncocking the left wrist which makes me think I've lost you somewhere.

Ive always imagined the Aiming Point Procedure as being , from Top a throwing like motion towards the aiming point (normally the ball but you can adjust fore and aft to fight the rate at which the various lengths of levers switch ends. Hey have you ever goofed with a MOI matched set of irons?) A throwing or spearing chucking like motion but the geometric equivalent to Tracing albeit with a very different set of intentions and probably physics too. Thats my take on it in short.

By the way , your logic makes me see a complication with Plane Shifts on the downswing (very common in the field) Which would have the straight line direction of Thrust travelling a single plane angle which is above the curved (from DTL) path of the hands would it not? Hmmm.

Regards
ob