That sounds really, really good, simple , easy to repeat. No shift of Plane Angles going down anyways. Meaning you are probably "Single Shift" (on the backswing Im guessing , although you could be zero shift too but its a rarity see 10-6-B you'd need those high hands and clubshaft to be zero shift). Anyways you're using the TSP! Which has tremendous advantages like being able to Startdown with your Right Shoulder and have it take the Hands Down Plane!!!! Hello 6-M-1 Downswing Sequence without needing to drop your Hands to a Lower Plane first.
Its the Right Shoulder that takes the Bent Right Arm , the fully loaded Right Elbow for the Hitter down to its Release Point! There is no other way! Think about it. But the Right Shoulder must travel Down Plane. See 10-13-A Standard Shoulder Turn after you digest the TSP. Thanks to Yoda I now think about the business of the Backswing as being an effort to get the Hands and the Right Shoulder on the TSP at Top. They dont start out that way , together on that Plane at Address, they travel different paths to get there assuming a Right Forearm Takeaway. But that is the goal at Top! Cant do it with a Shoulder Turn Takeaway! You need to have your mind in your Hands.
As for the under plane stuff after impact........it could be camera angle, it could be real. If its real, your divots probably point to the left.
good stuff.....I am pretty close to zero shift, my problem is a poor start back swivel which gets the club outside the plane while the hands locate and start taking it up on the TSP. This can lead to an over rotation of the left forearm flying wedge and getting some pop out, which also tends to lead to a closed face. My divots are straight with a non curving pull. Its very playable but frustrating, can shoot very good scores but not great.
I want to fix some of the things that are creating compensations now that I have a reasonable repeating motion. The Nicklaus pick was one thing I picked out, I have several notes I made from the Book that I have questions about compared to my pattern.
your comments about the shoulder are spot on when I watch my videos, my right shoulder tends to go down below the TSP and hang back rather then move downplane. I think this can lead to some throwaway issues.
I am re-cataloging all my components per the checklist to see how they fit, does anyone do this as laid out in the book? I know one thing, now that I actually understand the Book a lot better some of my preconceived notions are just flat out wrong about my swing.
Getting outside going back is pretty common, especially for guys who learned how to rock the triangle , shoulder turn the two stiff arms back in Startup. I never fixed that, try as I might, until I started bending my Right Arm with Yoda. The RFT is Fanning and Bending. When does the Bending start I asked him once. "How about right away" was his reply.
To get a feel for this and to reinforce it I really, really like a piece of advice Lynn gives in his the Premium Brain Gay video. Basically Brian's pre shot waggle is a fanning of the right forearm done without any shoulder turning what so ever. The actual swing can have them both going at the same time but this waggle for me anyways , turns on the RFT and turns off my Shoulder Turn Takeaway with its left side push away tendency.
Practice this at home with your club up against but not quite touching some base board. That old frozen right elbow will take it immediately outside every time and you'll crash the club into the base board. Its frustrating but the fix is a bending right elbow and all that it can provide. Which is a lot. See the last paragraph in 7-3. Homer did refer it to as the Magic of the Right Forearm. But you'll need extensor action if you dont already have it to realize it all.
Some will say that the backswing doenst matter really, that its the downswing where the rubber meets the road etc etc. Which is true but only to a point. To employ the wrong muscles in Startup is to set a motion a chain of events that will effect Impact. Its harder to have a proper Inside Out Impact 2-J-2 without a proper Ouside-In Startup.
Actually the first paragraph in 2-J-2 is worth the price of the book or more. To not understand the geometry discussed there is to Steer the path of the clubhead "straight". Which will give you a divot that points to the left and a Bent Plane Line.
Have you goofed around with Single Wrist Action? Then you wont even need to think about Startup Swivel! It'll just happen on its own as the right side pulls the left along. Its weird but the left side centric Startup is turning and cocking where as a right side centric view, perception of things, has little if any turning. And so I just put my brain in my right side and let the left follow along and do whatever it needs to do on its own.........no thoughts about left side turning.
Is the uncocking of the left wrist and the roll of the left wrist or sternum or shoulder or cinnamon?
Originally Posted by Daryl
Here's the Iceman:
When HK said that the Right Forearm of every Hacker comes in too High, he's referring to the #3 PP not tracing the Delivery Line.
There are many Planes. Swing Plane, Shaft Plane, Left Arm Flying Wedge, Right Arm Flying Wedge, etc.
The only instance when the Right Forearm is on the actual Swing Plane at Release, is when the Swing Plane is the Elbow Plane and the Elbow and Hands are on the Plane.
In TGM, in all instances, when we say that the Right Forearm (right forearm flying wedge) is On Plane, we mean that it is at Right Angles to the Left Arm Wedge Plane. This includes the Elbow Plane.
6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES illustration is below on the Right. The Elbow Plane version is on the Left. Note that the Illustrations are at the Release.
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When HK said that the Right Forearm of every Hacker comes in too High, he's referring to the #3 PP not tracing the Delivery Line.
There are many Planes. Swing Plane, Shaft Plane, Left Arm Flying Wedge, Right Arm Flying Wedge, etc.
The only instance when the Right Forearm is on the actual Swing Plane at Release, is when the Swing Plane is the Elbow Plane and the Elbow and Hands are on the Plane.
In TGM, in all instances, when we say that the Right Forearm (right forearm flying wedge) is On Plane, we mean that it is at Right Angles to the Left Arm Wedge Plane. This includes the Elbow Plane.
6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES illustration is below on the Right. The Elbow Plane version is on the Left. Note that the Illustrations are at the Release.
Daryl,
Here is a Mickelson photo, he uses the TSP, is he below plane looking at your pic and at pic 5 numbered? (photo courtesy of Jeff Mann).
Daryl,
Here is a Mickelson photo, he uses the TSP, is he below plane looking at your pic and at pic 5 numbered?
It appears that he's on the TSP but has leveled out his down plane shoulder a bit early (maybe). Pics 4,5, and 6 show that the on plane shoulder has moved off plane after release.
He's obviously not on an Elbow Plane. I haven't ever looked at his swing before, but his leading arm is not dropping straight downward like it would with a Plane Shift to the Elbow Plane.
Thank you for posting this great sequence picture. He's a Hands Controlled Pivot TSP Swinger. I never knew that. His right elbow never stops moving down plane and his leading arm is blasting off the chest from frame 3 to frame 4.
I agree, I think a lot of his blast off comes from swinging left handed yet being a right handed person. I know I played baseball that way and utilized the same way to generate power. The left hand was just there for the ride, no power. You can see Mickelsons left hand barely stays on the club.
Yet I cannot generate that same feeling playing golf right handed. I don't feel any real blast off.
Yet I cannot generate that same feeling playing golf right handed. I don't feel any real blast off.
Practice with your leading arm only, without a Club, until you can generate the Power. The Blast off is very powerful. Impact occurs almost as soon as the Blast off occurs.
I dont have that swing itself, I had this one from Riviera a couple years ago, its probably the best swing I have seen him make so it probably wont help in you, as you can see he is dead nuts on plane (club is tough to see).
I dont have that swing itself, I had this one from Riviera a couple years ago, its probably the best swing I have seen him make so it probably wont help in you, as you can see he is dead nuts on plane (club is tough to see).
Would you say dead nuts on plane on the elbow plane?
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