all types of lag

[O.B.Left]

Guys, aside from putting the Inclined Plane on the Plane of the Left Arm, the so called and probably theoretical Left Shoulder Plane which requires a Zeroed #3 Angle, how do we resolve this head scratcher or mine? Bending and Arching? To a grip type dependent extent? I gotta know.

MIke when you said, "A" , was that a disgusting and totally uncalled for insult to all of Canada? Back off you Hoser.

[Daryl]

Guys, aside from putting the Inclined Plane on the Plane of the Left Arm, the so called and probably theoretical Left Shoulder Plane which requires a Zeroed #3 Angle, how do we resolve this head scratcher or mine? Bending and Arching? To a grip type dependent extent? I gotta know.

MIke when you said, "A" , was that a disgusting and totally uncalled for insult to all of Canada?

TSP and RFT. The geometry is set at the end of the RFT (illustration on right). The shoulder turn changes the location of the Levers (Hands and club), not the Geometry.

[O.B.Left]

Thanks D, nice drawings there too , eh.

But I dont see the Left Shoulder Plane if that what that is, out in the field too often. Sort of like a mouse with antlers, I can imagine it but I dont see it too often unless maybe Im really hittin the Molson hard, eh. Hey, there was this one time...............a crap, that Jacka did it to me again Damn.

First Burley gets me when he photoshopped his book into the Tiger crash site, then Jacka gets me "all out o wacka" on one of Slices threads, Damn. He's got us spin'n jacks off of jacka's jacks, Jack, crap.

Im thinking there is a little bend to get the plane of the left wrist cock and the left hand onto the Inclined Plane (a usable one, TSP or whatever). Perhaps this little bend is a product of a pure vertical left hand wrist cock, perhaps not. Hogan added a touch of bend didnt he?

What the heck were we talkin about again, eh?

[gmbtempe]

So Daryl for the uneducated TGM student...picture left shows a shift from the elbow plane to the turned shoulder plane....picture right shows zero shift to the shoulder plane?

[KevCarter]

So Daryl for the uneducated TGM student...picture left shows a shift from the elbow plane to the turned shoulder plane....picture right shows zero shift to the shoulder plane?

One of my favorites from Daryl.

Pivot controlled hands
vs.
Hands controlled pivot with extensor action takeaway

Kevin

[Mike O]

OB,

1) I was serious when I asked what "A" was - as I'm not sure and didn't want to guess- and I wanted to make sure we started on the right track and didn't want to back track.
2) I've answered this before - but let's first make sure that we communicate your question clearly. You can't understand how a flat left wrist uncocking when the flat left wrist is not on plane- can create an on plane motion or said a different way - how the uncocking of an off-plane motion of the left wrist wouldn't create an off plane motion? Please confirm if I have the question correct before I answer it.
3) I had a good post for Daryl- but at the last second retracted it- Darn it! How boring!

[12 piece bucket]

OB,

1) I was serious when I asked what "A" was - as I'm not sure and didn't want to guess- and I wanted to make sure we started on the right track and didn't want to back track.
2) I've answered this before - but let's first make sure that we communicate your question clearly. You can't understand how a flat left wrist uncocking when the flat left wrist is not on plane- can create an on plane motion or said a different way - how the uncocking of an off-plane motion of the left wrist wouldn't create an off plane motion? Please confirm if I have the question correct before I answer it.
3) I had a good post for Daryl- but at the last second retracted it- Darn it! How boring!

Somebody's obviously run out of peanut butter and Pond's.

[Mike O]

This thread has now attraced OB, Daryl, Bucket, KevCarter, gmb- I think that's a drug - run for you life! Hide your kids!

[O.B.Left]

OB,

1) I was serious when I asked what "A" was - as I'm not sure and didn't want to guess- and I wanted to make sure we started on the right track and didn't want to back track.
2) I've answered this before - but let's first make sure that we communicate your question clearly. You can't understand how a flat left wrist uncocking when the flat left wrist is not on plane- can create an on plane motion or said a different way - how the uncocking of an off-plane motion of the left wrist wouldn't create an off plane motion? Please confirm if I have the question correct before I answer it.
3) I had a good post for Daryl- but at the last second retracted it- Darn it! How boring!

Thanks Mike.

Ill take number 2 for $100 LBG dollars please.

"Given that the Plane of LAFW is the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock and given that all Left Hand Motion is Perpendicular only (except for Double Cocking maybe?), how can the Left Wrist, cock and uncock along the Inclined Plane when the Left Arm is not itself on the Inclined Plane? "

Im thinking there are some considerations for grip type since the Plane of LAFW is said to run along the back of the left hand. But my head hurts.

[Mike O]

OK - Good, Bad and Ugly.

Good: You clarified your question.

Bad: you complicated it by bringing in a few variables- but that's OK.

Ugly- I'm not moving forward until you label LAFW - as I was serious, serious, serious that I don't understand what it stands for. And I don't do LBG for $100 until you do Bucket for $50.