Working on acc#3 and have concerns over my grip. It looks spot on like the pic in 10-2-B, but like it appears in that pic, the back of the left hand looks about 10°-15° stronger than pure vertical.
So with a dual horizontal hinge, the toe points up at the follow-through parallel, but of course left wrist again is leaning that 10°-15° clockwise.
Am I being too exact, have I misunderstood, or might this hinder my progress?
Working on acc#3 and have concerns over my grip. It looks spot on like the pic in 10-2-B, but like it appears in that pic, the back of the left hand looks about 10°-15° stronger than pure vertical.
So with a dual horizontal hinge, the toe points up at the follow-through parallel, but of course left wrist again is leaning that 10°-15° clockwise.
Am I being too exact, have I misunderstood, or might this hinder my progress?
Great 'real world' post, stebboko. I'm with you!
Remember, at Impact, per 7-2 (#3), both the back of the Left Hand and the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point (#3) face down the Angle of Approach (to the right of Target).
Hence your "10 to 15 degrees stronger than pure vertical" is not a true 'Turn'. Instead, it is simply the Vertical Left Wrist in combination with the natural Arm alignment as it inclines toward a Ball that is located Up-Plane (and prior to Low Point).
Sorry, but this is a whole lot easier to demonstrate than to explain in words.
another thing you may want to do is pay attention to how you are aligning the face too . . . you can have a 10-2-B grip but the face can be closed and then you got yourself a "strong grip". Vicey versy too . . . . you can have the face open and put your hands on it strong. You want to be sure that you are getting your hands on there good . .. but you also want to be sure that you have the face aligned to to the impact/separation conditions you are trying to achieve . . . which can get into a whole discussion about hinge action. But that being said if you set up with a "shut face" and your trying to hit a draw and start the ball to the right of your target line . . . . your going to have to do some things with the golf club (shaft) to get the face open enough to start the ball to the right (ball separates at 90 degrees to the face). Same with a true "pull" cut . . . it needs to be looking left enough to get the ball to start left.
But basically make sure you are aligning the face to the shot you're trying to hit. If you have the face conflicting to the path your trying to move the club on you can set yourself up to fail. You don't want to set up a situation that could cause a major divergence of clubface and path (angle of approach).
Remember, at Impact, per 7-2 (#3), both the back of the Left Hand and the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point (#3) face down the Angle of Approach (to the right of Target).
Hence your "10 to 15 degrees stronger than pure vertical" is not a true 'Turn'. Instead, it is simply the Vertical Left Wrist in combination with the natural Arm alignment as it inclines toward a Ball that is located Up-Plane (and prior to Low Point).
Sorry, but this is a whole lot easier to demonstrate than to explain in words.
No, that got the message across well. Thx also 12 piece for your valued comments.
2-C-1 shows separation occurring at the Low Point, where the clubface is square to the Plane Line.
When the Low Point occurs 3 or so inches after the (up-plane) point of Separation, I assume Low Point is still where the clubface becomes square to the Plane Line with a 10-5-A Square-Square alignment - is that correct?
So at Impact Fix, the clubface is set up open for a 10-5-A alignment, the degree of 'openness' depending on the rate of closure of the selected hinging and the chosen release?
No, that got the message across well. Thx also 12 piece for your valued comments.
2-C-1 shows separation occurring at the Low Point, where the clubface is square to the Plane Line.
When the Low Point occurs 3 or so inches after the (up-plane) point of Separation, I assume Low Point is still where the clubface becomes square to the Plane Line with a 10-5-A Square-Square alignment - is that correct?
So at Impact Fix, the clubface is set up open for a 10-5-A alignment, the degree of 'openness' depending on the rate of closure of the selected hinging and the chosen release?
There is no relevant correlation between clubface alignment and lowpoint.
Sure in the "Golfing Machine book" because of "that" machine and for simplicity sake - separation is at lowpoint. In the "real" world- while that's possible- normally I would say that separation is well before lowpoint- as you have stated above. In that case you want the face square to your initial starting direction of the ball at separation. Swingvision will provide some good information on impact conditions for you but assuming the face is closing then yes the openess at impact fix would be based on A) the rate of closure of the selected hinging and B) the amount of compression i.e. the more the compression the more the face closes due to the longer period of closing before the ball leaps off the face.
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Mike - I believe that you are correct to state that clubface-ball separation occurs well before the low point (considering that the clubface remains in contact withe ball for a distance of about 0.8").
This photo sequence of Tiger Woods' long iron stinger shot shows ball-clubface separation well before the club reaches its low point. The clubhead is still descending to the low point in the last photo image in the series.
Splitting hairs a bit are,nt we guys,we are never ever going to hit the ball to this degree of accuracy time after time,not even Tiger cant,the best guide here is where the ball ends up,and how it got there.Hogan said,golf is a game of good misses.
The time would be better spent practising routine,alignments and compression than worrying about hairsplitting details of exactly when the ball leaves clubface etc,Iron Bryon is a good example of what Im talking about,even when the machine hits in repetition,the balls dont land on top of each other nor do they travel exactky the same distance(all just good misses).IMO,go out and feel the shot and enjoy the hit......Cheers
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