A Ben Doyle Lesson -- Part I / Tire Trouble

[bmctigue]

Hi,
New member here. Enjoying the site and waiting for the book to arrive. I think there is a lot of good info here. In the first video when he is doing the chipping/pitching drill to get the proper feel of impact, what club is he using? Wedge? Seven iron? Also, when I have done this drill I am amazed at the crisp contact it imparts on the ball. How does one incorporate this small chipping motion that results in proper contact in to full swing?

Thanks

[FL-John]

Bmc:

Welcome to the forum...the point of the small chips/pitches like taking baby steps. You crawl, before walk...walk befoe run, etc, etc. Homer Kelly truly believed that one could more closely monitor the correct feelings when doing short shots (Basic Motion) first. As you can do this consistently, you then progress to Pitches (Acquired Motion). Often times, we want to try and make our 'new motion' by doing full swings at full speed. As I have come to know, the more I engrain the feeling and motions in these short shots, it begins to become more automatic in the longer swings. As soon as you start to lose the proper feelings in the longer swings, go back to the shorter motions...much easier to monitor!

FL-John

[mashe]

Hi,

Being lurking for a while, this is a terrific site!
The lesson video made me realized that I'm a flipper. Time to incorporate the lesson learned, FLW/BRW. I bought the yellow book long time ago, but not be able to decipher. Hopefully, with the info on this forum, I can make progress in learning this great game!

One obsevation I have regarding the video lesson:
The student in this video lesson seems to not bending from the hip in contrast to Ben. This may cause him not be able to apply core muscle more effectively.

[nuke99]

Hi , Welcome .

There is tons of knowlegeable good people in this site.

Ben Doyle is teaching Pivot powered stroke. Aka using the core for the extra Uhmp. The Towel swinging drill using the core is THE way to learn it.

Read 5-0 last paragraph.

Hand controlled Pivot: I suggest study Tom Tommasello 3 parts video letter .

And you will notice a different way of doing it, all valid way, but no perfect way only preferences.

[glcoach]

Mr. Doyle teaches that the hands are still in control, everything is monitored through the hands.

Don't be afraid of training your pivot, because of "pivot controlled hands".

[EdStraker]

Mr. Doyle teaches that the hands are still in control, everything is monitored through the hands.

Don't be afraid of training your pivot, because of "pivot controlled hands".

Good Point.

Zones 1 and 2 have to be trained along with zone 3. The pivot has to be trained. If a person doesn't train the pivot, you are likely to see somebody moving the arms from the shoulder joint independently and not using a pivot at all or very little pivot.

[nuke99]

Its true . Zone 3 can only be as good as Zone 1, Pivot wise and Balance wise, and both Zones can be utilised, like a very high performance 3 barrel 4 barrel.

The reason I am pointing him there is because without forgeting the Powering of Zone 1 . Understanding Hand controlled pivot becomes very difficult. Anyway, what I believe and experienced, an AI direct demonstration is required to appreciate this , especially we come from a world of Pivot controlled hands. Maybe doesn't sound really Important to understand this, but to me its a really important key in consistent execution.

By powering the Pivot , in a general point of view , you are still doing a Pivot Controlled hand. Of course it is believed that you can use BOTH Eventually , like a 4 barrel eventually, Like a high performance snap loading/release eventually, but some of these advanced technique are difficult to master, I haven't. read 5-0 carefully.

Zone 1 and 2 still NEED to be trained nonetheless. Seperately . But not consiously "powered" thats my understanding. At least when starting to learn TGM.