The Finish Swivel

[Yoda]

Yoda, can you please elaborate on what you mean by bringing the Left and Right palms On Plane at the Top?

The Left Arm Flying Wedge with its Flat Left Wrist and On Plane Clubshaft lie in the same Plane...the Vertical Plane of the Left Wristcock Motion (6-B-3-0-1). The Right Forearm Flying Wedge with its Bent Right Wrist and On Plane Forearm is positioned at right angles to this Left Wristcock Plane.

During the Backstroke, the Left Arm Wedge Turns (Single Wrist Action) or is Turned (Standard Wrist Action) to enable the Vertical Wristcock Motion to occur on the Inclined Plane of the Stroke. This is the 'palms parallel to the Plane' alignment necessary for the Top (8-6) and Finish (8-12) movements involving Wristcock.

[Matt]

Yoda, can you please elaborate on what you mean by bringing the Left and Right palms On Plane at the Top?

At the top, the left palm is FACE DOWN to the plane and the right palm is FACE UP to the plane. Basically the "karate chop" position but at the top.

[tongzilla]

During the Backstroke, the Left Arm Wedge Turns (Single Wrist Action) or is Turned (Standard Wrist Action) to enable the Vertical Wristcock Motion to occur on the Inclined Plane. This is the 'palms parallel to the Plane' alignment necessary for the Top (8-6) and Finish (8-12) movements involving Wristcock.

And herein lies the paradox I've been trying to solve. If the Vertical Wristcock Motion occurs on the Inclined Plane, lets say the Turned Shoulder Plane, this means the entire Left Arm Wedge is also On Plane. But this cannot be the case since the Right Shoulder defines the Turned Shoulder Plane. What am I missing here?

[Yoda]

And herein lies the paradox I've been trying to solve. If the Vertical Wristcock Motion occurs on the Inclined Plane, lets say the Turned Shoulder Plane, this means the entire Left Arm Wedge is also On Plane. But this cannot be the case since the Right Shoulder defines the Turned Shoulder Plane. What am I missing here?

The palm of the Left Hand does not lie in the plane of the Left Arm when the Left Wrist is Flat (upper Left Arm in line with the back of the Left Hand). Because of the heel of the Hand, it is sloped away from it (counterclockwise) and appears 'more vertical' at the Top (and In Line with the Plane of the Turned Right Shoulder). Thus, the Wrist can Cock on Plane without the Left Arm being On Plane.

Maybe what you are considering the Vertical Wristcock Motion of a Flat Left Wrist is really the Vertical Wristcock of an Arched Left Wrist (which puts the palm in line with the lower part of the Left Forearm and therefore not On Plane with the Right Shoulder).

[Daryl]

[EdZ]

...If the Vertical Wristcock Motion occurs on the Inclined Plane, lets say the Turned Shoulder Plane, this means the entire Left Arm Wedge is also On Plane.

That 'the' plane is not represented by any body part, but by the force that you are generating in your motion.

Per 2-F (caps and bold added by me)

".... the longitudinal center of gravity, the LINE OF PULL of Centrifugal Force"

"Plane Angle and Plane Line always refer to the center of gravity application"

What that means in effect is that you are "hugging the flail" described in 2-K, when looking at this FORCE that is moving around your center of balance.

That FORCE is most clearly represented by the path of the hands, the pressure points.

Learn to feel your pressure points. Learn to see the plane as the path of the pressure points around your center of balance.

[annikan skywalker]

The palm of the Left Hand does not lie in the plane of the Left Arm when the Left Wrist is Flat (upper Left Arm in line with the back of the Left Hand). Because of the heel of the Hand, it is sloped away from it (counterclockwise) and appears 'more vertical' at the Top (and In Line with the Plane of the Turned Right Shoulder). Thus, the Wrist can Cock on Plane without the Left Arm being On Plane.

Maybe what you are considering the Vertical Wristcock Motion of a Flat Left Wrist is really the Vertical Wristcock of an Arched Left Wrist (which puts the palm in line with the lower part of the Left Forearm and therefore not On Plane with the Right Shoulder).

The cocked "Flat" left wrist appears slightly bent...Preach on Preacher....That is Alignment G.O.L.F. versus Dogmatice G.O.L.F.


One of the best posts in the history of LBG

[Daryl]

That 'the' plane is not represented by any body part, but by the force that you are generating in your motion.

Per 2-F (caps and bold added by me)

".... the longitudinal center of gravity, the LINE OF PULL of Centrifugal Force"

"Plane Angle and Plane Line always refer to the center of gravity application"

What that means in effect is that you are "hugging the flail" described in 2-K, when looking at this FORCE that is moving around your center of balance.

That FORCE is most clearly represented by the path of the hands, the pressure points.

Learn to feel your pressure points. Learn to see the plane as the path of the pressure points around your center of balance.

The applauding crowd still standing in admiration as Edz takes the stage and accepts his "TGM Excellence" award. As he takes the podium, the crowd settles into a quiet whisper. As expected, he first thanks his mentors and lavishly praises all of the little people who have helped him along his path to knowledge.

Very good answer.

[neil]

The cocked "Flat" left wrist appears slightly bent...Preach on Preacher....That is Alignment G.O.L.F. versus Dogmatice G.O.L.F.


One of the best posts in the history of LBG

And some!-Now where else would you find that.L.B.G. puts some meat on the bone

[jim_0068]

After watching Yoda's finish swivel video, i can say that the only difference between's "ben swivel" and "yoda's swivel" is that yoda is simply swiveling it back to the plane and STOPPING and letting the left wrist bend to the finish. Where as "ben's swivel" is swiveling it as much as the face will allow which would be looking at the ground.