Role of The Pivot

[6bmike]

If the pivot tries to add - above and beyond, alignments and rhythm suffer.

If the pivot supplies the power and one cannot add with the hands what good is extensor action??
The video of Homer swinging quote, "coming down on the ball as if to drive it into the ground". No mention of pivot only the hands driving the ball into the ground. The pivot follows the lead of the hands going down and out.

You misunderstand extensor action- it moves nothing. It does not move the left arm just tugs it, stretches it like a stubborn tight bungee cord that needs constant attention to remain pulled.
That is not adding. Adding is removing rhythm by forcing more hand into the stroke near impact.
Ben says no “adding.” Yoda says “no try just do.”

Read in the glossary Homers definition of Pivot, “.....holding the clubshaft “On Plane” by positioning and adjusting the Lever Assembly, through #3 Accumulator, as directed by the right forearm.” (And my guess the Flying Wedge Assembly too)

A trained pivot is the number one zone and the point Homer said to begin. To me the pivot is the hips- the hip action and its motion. The hips must clear. As Ted Fort says, hips cannot be roadblocks, they must be highways. And that comes form a trained pivot.
There is nothing wrong with the pivot moving the hands or the pivot responding to the arm swing and hands. They’re both move the same way because both must be hand trained and both MUST produce the same Pace and Rhythm into impact. How you want to perceive it is just semantics and your “seems to be.”

9-1 Zone #1 ... ‘Emphatically, Hands are not educated until they control the Pivot.”

[6bmike]

Isn't pp#4 essentially pivot power?

The pivot transports the power package, and the power accumulators of the hands. The link is the only accumulator not in the hands, the Master Accumulator- the Rhythm Accumulator- Number Four. The left arm part pivot, part power package. The pivot will transport the hands and the hands with a turning pivot spends the accumulators.

[tongzilla]

Slightly off topic, but...

Are the terms "Power Power Package Thrust" and "Right Arm Thrust" synonymous? What's the difference between the two?

[12 piece bucket]

Slightly off topic, but...

Are the terms "Power Power Package Thrust" and "Right Arm Thrust" synonymous? What's the difference between the two?

Remember the Right Shoulder is part of the Power Package.

[tongzilla]

Remember the Right Shoulder is part of the Power Package.

So Swinger must use Power Package thrust also...but that forfeits momentum transfer...

[mb6606]

You misunderstand extensor action- it moves nothing. It does not move the left arm just tugs it, stretches it like a stubborn tight bungee cord that needs constant attention to remain pulled.
That is not adding. Adding is removing rhythm by forcing more hand into the stroke near impact.
Ben says no “adding.” Yoda says “no try just do.”

That implies that the right arm does little. Pivot alone? I have to tell the right hand to extend the arm.
Watching Homer the right arm goes from an "L" position to a straight one past impact. How can Homer not be adding???

Seems to be a difference of opinion between BD, Yoda, BM and CE? Do I need to ask Homer?

[Mike O]

Slightly off topic, but...

Are the terms "Power Power Package Thrust" and "Right Arm Thrust" synonymous? What's the difference between the two?

Tongzilla- Regarding your question – Is Power Package Thrust the same as Right Arm Thrust- I think it would be helpful to first clearly layout the area of confusion- at least I am assuming that your question arises from 2-M-3.

QUOTE:
“2-M-3. MUSCLES Unless Pivot Thrust actually drives #4 Accumulator through Impact, its assignment during that interval is more clearly defined if considered as delivery, guidance and support of the Power Package, because it may or may not have contributed anything but motion during Delivery. The Pattern of the Stroke being used designates where Thrust is to originate and that is completely the player’s option. See 104 and 10-19. Pivot Thrust alone (2-K), forfeits Right Arm Thrust (6-B-1). Power Package Thrust alone (6-0), forfeits Momentum Transfer (2-K). Only with the driver must you use both Pivot Thrust and Power Package Thrust for lack of a longer Club. In which case- to Pivot Thrust add a strong Pressure Point #4 (typo- corrected in the 7th edition- should read #1) thrust per 10-19-C. Or to Power Package Thrust add the Shoulder Turn per 2-M-4. Study 4-D-0, 6-B-2-B (Typo- Should read 6-C-2-B), and 10-4-D in this connection.” UNQUOTE

In general, Power Package (6-0) Thrust would include all or any combination of the four accumulators and their associated pressure points (10-4). So the terms Power Package Thrust and Right Arm Thrust are not synonymous- the first could be all or any combination of all of the accumulators while the second would be only accumulator #1 applied to either pressure point #1 and/or #3. However, the confusion arises out of the 2-M-3 section where I believe he is using the general Power Package Thrust term in a much more specific way (Right Arm), but let’s analyze the 1st paragraph in 2-M-3, where if it were me- I would in general change the following for clarification, ignoring any particular grammatical issues
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1st
“Power Package Thrust alone (6-0), forfeits Momentum Transfer (2-K).”

Change to

“Right Arm Thrust alone (6-B-1) forfeits Momentum Transfer (2-K).”

2nd
“Only with the driver must you use both Pivot Thrust and Power Package Thrust for lack of a longer Club”

Change to

“Only with the driver would you have the optional need to use both Pivot Thrust and Right Arm Thrust for the lack of a longer Club”.

As for all other clubs, it would be far more convenient to just use a longer Club for getting more distance using a three barrel stroke. That optional need would be rare, as in wanting to drive a par 4 that normally was just out of reach, etc. Not that someone couldn’t Master a 4-barrel stroke but due to the issues of Mastering and difficulty- for most, the 4-barrel is not the stroke that would be used on a day-to-day situation.

3rd
“Or to Power Package Thrust add the Shoulder Turn per 2-M-4”

Change to

“Or to Right Arm Thrust add the Shoulder Turn per 2-M-4”

At least that’s my take on your question.

And for those of you who are obsessive TGM fans- here’s a would be addition to the 7th edition that I believe did not make it into the 7th edition revisions- for whatever reason, but resonates with the unique writing style of Homer Kelley.

2-M-3 (3rd Paragraph last three lines- existing)
“However, tremendous energy can be consumed in trying to offset conflicting alignments, without ever achieving the player’s full speed potential. Study 5-0 in this connection.”

Followed by the addition of:
“These three lines classifies and catalogs those golfers who employ loops, plane angle shifts, unnecessary motions that disrupts the clubshaft’s orbit and plane….without the employment of Educated Hands to create the collision of Impact between club and ball, the nickname of Golf would herein be termed as “the game of whiffs”.

Mike O

[tongzilla]

Thank you Mike O. Yes, confusion arises from 2-M-3. You knew exactly what I was thinking about in regards to my question .

So the problem is that Homer was being too general in his use of the term Power Package.

“Or to Right Arm Thrust add the Shoulder Turn per 2-M-4". I don't get this statement. 2-M-4 doesn't seem to mention shoulder turn. Is it referring to the backstroke shoulder turn and downstroke shoulder turn? Hmm...to me right arm thrust is right arm thrust, nothing really to do with the shoulder, ok...right arm pushes off the right shoulder, but...

[Yoda]

“Or to Right Arm Thrust add the Shoulder Turn per 2-M-4". I don't get this statement. 2-M-4 doesn't seem to mention shoulder turn. Is it referring to the backstroke shoulder turn and downstroke shoulder turn? Hmm...to me right arm thrust is right arm thrust, nothing really to do with the shoulder, ok...right arm pushes off the right shoulder, but...

The Thrust of the Downstroke Shoulder Turn supplies the initial acceleration of the Lever Assemblies (6-B-4-0).

[tongzilla]

The Thrust of the Downstroke Shoulder Turn supplies the initial acceleration of the Lever Assemblies (6-B-4-0).

Yes, but this initial acceleration exists for both Hitters and Swingers, whether you're using Right Arm Thrust or Pivot Thrust.