I am currently experinceing somemajor zone one problems, in that my hip action does not seem to be adaquite to produce enough lag and drag to keep everything moving and it apears that the overtaking is begingin way to soon, and i run out of right arm way to frequently, which makes the right wrist flatten out often, causing a high weack ball with tons of leekage. I am swinging but even with start down waggles i rarley get throught the ball with a solid flat leading wrist and i know that zone one is the main source of action, to generate CF to power the swinging left arm, but i rarly get a good blast off as well, today i got on a dynamic balance machinewhich measures where your center of gravity is through out the swing, i saw that mine goes well into my right heel, possibly a bit to deep into thte heels, and then onthe down swing,i go way out onto mytoes well beyond where i shoudl be, i have tride and tried to keep it from going so far out, but i can not 1. stay in my posture which seem as though im moving towards the ball with my hips,and 2. i cant keep the weight from going way way out onto and beyond my left toes, insted of the heel no matter how hard I try, even when i put a ball under my left toes and swing. The only help i can give myself is to go really slow but the weight issues are still there, and it causes me to loose my FLW and flip. I need serriouse help
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If the right wrist flattens at or around impact, you will suffer from trajectile disfunction.
I am currently experinceing somemajor zone one problems, in that my hip action does not seem to be adaquite to produce enough lag and drag to keep everything moving and it apears that the overtaking is begingin way to soon, and i run out of right arm way to frequently, which makes the right wrist flatten out often, causing a high weack ball with tons of leekage. I am swinging but even with start down waggles i rarley get throught the ball with a solid flat leading wrist and i know that zone one is the main source of action, to generate CF to power the swinging left arm, but i rarly get a good blast off as well, today i got on a dynamic balance machinewhich measures where your center of gravity is through out the swing, i saw that mine goes well into my right heel, possibly a bit to deep into thte heels, and then onthe down swing,i go way out onto mytoes well beyond where i shoudl be, i have tride and tried to keep it from going so far out, but i can not 1. stay in my posture which seem as though im moving towards the ball with my hips,and 2. i cant keep the weight from going way way out onto and beyond my left toes, insted of the heel no matter how hard I try, even when i put a ball under my left toes and swing. The only help i can give myself is to go really slow but the weight issues are still there, and it causes me to loose my FLW and flip. I need serriouse help
As long as you start the swing (up or down) with the hips, you have pivot-controlled hands, which not only transfers your weight to either side, but also releases "Lag", including the "Pivot" one (or zone I), and all you describes.
__________________ Yani Tseng, Go! Go! Go! Yani Tseng Did It Again! YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
"Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
Think as a golfer, execute like a robot.
Rotate, twist, spin, turn. Bend the shaft.
While completely accurate, I'm not sure that response will help him. He seems to have a faulty pivot, in that he is moving towards the ball on the downswing (dropping his head and moving towards target line). He "feels" as though he is moving onto his toes. Even "educated hands" will have trouble controlling a wobbly pivot.
My first thought is the knee action might be wrong in the pivot. The knees control the movement of the head. Perhaps you have too much left knee bend moving towards the target line rather than more "in". I would recommend, for starters, using the McDonald #2 and #4 drills in the other pivot thread. I have seen Yoda recommend those drills to others when there have been zone 1 issues.
If you swing with just a dowel, and no ball on the target line, and concentrate on getting to your finishing position (rather than hitting the ball), do you still move towards the target line on the downswing? Perhaps it is related to trying to make contact with the ball, rather than swing through it.
Keep us posted on your progress and what works. Best of luck to you!
I am 60 years old and I too have difficulty initiating an assertive downswing hip pivot action - due to a lack of flexibility and a lack of strong torso muscles. I have solved the problem to a major degree by using an idea I got from HK's book. He talked of triggering the downswing with a right shoulder thrust movement. I now start my downswing with a very assertive right shoulder thrust movement downplane, that causes my pelvis to shift-rotate immediately at the start of the downswing. I also maintain that thrust well into the followthrough because it helps me to develop secondary axis tilt and fully release my power accumulators to a a both-arms-straight position at the end of the followthrough. My previous downswing pivot action was so sluggish that I had a marked propensity to suffer from "quitting" and chicken-winging.
Thank you for your responeses, i have a better time when i swing through the ball with a dowel, hoewver i still do move towards the target and drop i think that i have to work harder onthe left knee action, andthe downplane right shoulder.
I am a little confused about the TGM sequencing from start down though, and how educated hands can generate anylag and drag in the pivot train, it would seem this would leave the hips behind, and not load pp4 in ordr to create the blast off, i think i am however sufferingfrom pivot controlledhands but it is notthe sourece of my problems, becuase my body is out of possition causing me to have to flip because i am "stuck from moving towards the ball and down with my head.
I think i need to have a better understanding of how educated hands can take me from top down and generate lag and drag, off to the range now to work on it though
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If the right wrist flattens at or around impact, you will suffer from trajectile disfunction.
Ok so i went to the range today and worked hard on the staying within myshot but my pivot is definatly faulty, i was on teh dynamic balance machine again, and videoed my swing. My back swing is solid now, i get good and loaded up but my start down is terrible, my hips slide not parralel with the plane line, but towards the ball pulling me out of my posuture, and forcesme way way out onto my left toe, which is confirmed by the dynamic balance.
Any help with the seqencing from start down throught to follow through would be greaty helpful and where the emphasis should be as far as the what i should feel
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If the right wrist flattens at or around impact, you will suffer from trajectile disfunction.
As long as you start the swing (up or down) with the hips, you have pivot-controlled hands, which not only transfers your weight to either side, but also releases "Lag", including the "Pivot" one (or zone I), and all you describes.
I can easily start my swing with my hips and yet direct my #3 pressure point at my aiming point or ball. Look at Hogan - I doubt he was a pivot controlled hands player. Not with his accuracy and length.
I can easily start my swing with my hips and yet direct my #3 pressure point at my aiming point or ball. Look at Hogan - I doubt he was a pivot controlled hands player. Not with his accuracy and length.
He sure wasn't.
He starts it with "Lag". His body starts it with hips.
__________________ Yani Tseng, Go! Go! Go! Yani Tseng Did It Again! YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
"Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
Think as a golfer, execute like a robot.
Rotate, twist, spin, turn. Bend the shaft.
He starts it with "Lag". His body starts it with hips.
This quote is a good explanation of the hand controlled pivot concept, one which is still greatly misunderstood by a lot of well meaning players and teachers. IMO, hand controlled pivot dosen't mean that the hands/arms/club unit actually physically starts first. With this subject, you have to be careful, and differentiate between the actual and the intent.
Theoretically, with a properly trained pivot (or in some individuals who are athletically inclined), the hips will start before the hands, even when the the focus is solely on the hands. Using myself as an example, my best swings come when my goal is simply to swing my arms and hands. But in those swings, my lower body is actually physically leading the way. It ultimately comes back to the hands; but if the pivot isn't working, it has to be addressed first, or the hands won't be able to do their thing. This is why a misunderstanding of the meaning of "hands controlled pivot" can wreak havoc on the game of the average player; they may end up just standing there, swinging their arms ineffectively.
__________________ Yani Tseng, Go! Go! Go! Yani Tseng Did It Again! YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
"Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
Think as a golfer, execute like a robot.
Rotate, twist, spin, turn. Bend the shaft.
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