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he moves his right shoulder up the plane for backstroke and it goes down that same plane for the downstroke....

it does not rotate flat then on plane as with standard, he is rotating the right shoulder up and down the turned shoulder plane both directions.

what this has to do with tiger, i'm not sure

Agreed, Whip. But then, this thread has been 'off topic' for quite some time. In fact, the more recent posts (and the continuing discussion I have in mind) have nothing to do with Tiger. Yet, they are extremely important in their own right.

So, we'll soon move these last few pages to a new thread. Our cut-off point will be arbitrary. After the move, those wishing to continue the discussion can do so there. Meanwhile, pending the move, keep posting here.

Thanks.