[KevCarter]

I meant more of what bucket pointed out, pa3 and pa2 simultaneously, though I don't think it's necessary to think about the pa2. As I said, I think efforts should be avoided that will "encourage" pa2 to release because IMO that will make you lose my pet pa3 angle beyond level.

Re plane, would what you said still apply if after transition you get down to elbow plane or, as pointed out by bucket in another thread, you get down to the plane you choose consistent with or appropriate with the pa3 angle you have?

Hi Brian,

Many planes are available along with many release types. From your post, I was just envisioning #3 kicking out from the top over the plane with no chance of recovery. I think Homer emphasized 4-1-2-3 for a reason... Brian, please understand I am learning too. I'm gaining a much better grasp of what Homer is looking for, but have a long way to go as far as intelligently discussing advanced application. I'm also very interested in hitting procedures right now, and looking at everything through those eyes.

Kevin