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Have a look at this . . . .

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrBatSpe.../7/0FxqPp5A06I

I'm not convinced that all this delay delay delay translates to more speed. If you check out this Mr. Batspeeds stuff . . .the cats that hit the longball (and we know chicks dig the long ball) generate the most "angular displacement of the bat" EARLYin their motion . . .

In your quote above you have correctly used the term THROWOUT . . . throwout of course being a compound word (how 'bout that) . . comprised of THROW and OUT . . . if we delay #1 elbow past navel or past where navel was at address or navel was eatin' boogers or whatever and thereby the subsequent accumulators is the club being "thrown"? Also if the right elbow remains bent that long based on 7-3 or whatever the Magic of the Right Forearm is . . . is #3 getting actuated? Is the clubhead releasing OUT to the ball (throwOUT) or is it releasing behind the hands? to me this is one of the distinctions between Hitting and Swinging

I'm not 100% on my theory but I'm not convinced that this trigger delay stuff translates to speed all things being held constant . . . could be wrong . . .

I mean Tom Watson is 60 plus and still banging it out there pretty good . . . what about JB Holmes . . .and Stricker ain't no tapper necessarily . . .

Are we all suffering from "lag envy" here?

I know I suffer from lag envy.

Re Mr Batspeed. I agree with everything he is saying and believe Homer would too. Given a true straight line hand path there is no CF (the force not the release type some guys talk about) Throwout. Law of the flail, the swingle releases and accelerates ahead of the handle without any force being applied from the hands or arms directly to it ......you cant if its a string or leather strap that connects the two pieces. Pure CF throwout. In other words no curved path, no circular motion, no CF or its throwout. And I believe Mr Batspeed's straight line then right arm participation release type is akin to Drag Loading then Drive in Homer speak.

I see him as describing a problem for batters where they go straight line too long..........something you dont see in golf where people tend to not have enough Longitudinal , Straight Line and throw it from the Top early.

I wouldnt change Stricker or Watson's Release personally. But they do Delay their Release Point for a mechanical advantage to my mind.

So Id say:

1. Given the same hand speed , lever length and assuming no slowing effect associated with lever extension: The later the Release the faster the Clubhead Speed given the Overtaking Rate discussion of 2-P and the Endless Belt pulley wheel analogy.

2. Throw in the slowing effect and the difference is bigger.

3. The same clubhead speed could be achieved by increasing the Hand Speed for the earlier Release Type.

4. Earlier Release's have a shallower Angle of Attack effecting the geometry of Impact (positively for some shots, negatively for others).

Here's where Ive been dying to go with this discussion

5. Confining ourselves to Swinging , Sequenced Release here. Can some Non Auto Release Triggers actually do more than merely Trigger Release? Can they Power the Release of #2 angle to a speed higher than CF would induce? In other words could an active , Non Auto Left Wrist Throw , vertical hammering like motion add more final clubhead speed?

If so you have a method of powering the swingle. (Some Non Auto Releases for sure just Trigger Release)

Bucket have you ever seen these?

Sounds like a Release Throw to me , not sure if its Left WRist or Right Arm but to guess Id say Left Wrist as he gets really close to demonstrating Sequenced Release , 2 then 3 at the bottom. A Non Auto Release Trigger he seems to ascribe it to the right elbow unfolding, interestingly.

You can if you freeze frame notice a Delayed Release again ......... mechanical advantage in evidence to my mind but not crazy late.


Speaking of Right Elbow Magic and where the Throw is take a look at this Yoda movie. In application the Release Point , Throw can be Delayed to a point later than illustrated , or it perhaps another stimulus/response thing?

Im trying to find that video of Yoda with his wooden flail from ITC's visit to Cuscowilla. In it Yoda notes when and how early the swingle releases. Its gravity powered in the demonstration and flips over when the handle is sorta kinda opposite his side as I recall. Earlier than you would tend to think.

At the risk of stating the obvious, Homer was not all about max delay! Its an option and like all options with its own implications. But that said , Id like a little more Longitudinal . Just not sure how to get it.

Could you create more lag at #2 by creating more lag at components further up stream? Using the whip analogy. I shot a little two under par at Wailea Gold (6,650 yards) today with my Arms heavy and lagging my Shoulders. Had to get the Pivot going to do that. Probably still looked like Stricker though. Man, just a tad more Longitudinal would be nice..... please.

Damn , I also want moves like Jagger.