[innercityteacher]

This is a problem. It's not "so much" that your hips are controlling the shoulder turn but the way you turn your hips. There's no doubt that you have the right shoulder going way too far back and flat if you allow "turning hips" to direct them because that motion takes you off-plane. This is a sure way to make the clubhead go out to right field and rise above plane at and after impact.

Going out to right field is the "out" feel of the Downstroke. It is not intended for your shaft and clubhead to literally go to right field (Rise above the plane) at impact and follow-through. You must stay on-plane for a three dimensional impact. Use a Laser. I have a "Smart Stick Laser" that I use and I can "Rip" it through the Impact interval and I'm perfectly On-Plane but if I Turn too deep on the backstroke, like you, then the Laser goes to Right Field. That's not good and Impact is not a good time to use compensations.


If you rotate your hips around to turn them, then your right shoulder will go very deep and too flat and throw everything off plane. Please refer to exercise #5 and 6. March in-place while you swing your arms and you will learn the KEY to swinging on the TSP and how the Pivot can be aligned to automatically move the right shoulder On-Plane/Down-Plane every time without any effort. Keep the balls of your feet on the ground and lift your heels as you march. Experiment by exaggerating the "march" for you to feel that the Hips and Shoulders move differently but are synchronized. Don't pull the arms down, let the pivot do that. Notice that your Hips move in an alternating pattern from front to back and back to front while your shoulders move kind of up and down.

Please notice that your hips turn, but you aren't rotating them. The bending and straightening knees allow the turn.

HK said that if you can't get the right shoulder back to the plane during the backstroke, then use a steeper plane. In other words, use a TSP. Normal people don't have a problem getting the shoulder back to the Turned Shoulder Plane because it isn't very Far Back. In fact, from the deep shoulder turn you've become accustomed too, it will feel barely back at all.


...please keep a couple of things in mind. 1) I am greatful for the time you and the other people here spend explaining these great TGM insights. This is an amazing collection of golfers and golf insight. 2) I have had 11 hip operations and two total hip replacements since 1972. When I sleep at night, my left foot sticks straight up by itself. (KEEP YOUR MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER!!! ) The doctors at St. Mary's in Winona MN, broke my leg below my knee and rotated it so when I walk, my feet go forward and I do not drag my foot to the side. They were concerned about my social standing with members of the opposite sex not my ability to swing a golf club!


( I AM REALLY TEMPTED HERE TO ABUSE PEOPLE FROM A SMALL NORthEASTERN STATE BUT I AM RESTRAINING MYSELF. )

(THANK GOD JOHN WAYNE WAS POPULAR WHEN WE WERE YOUNGER. WHEN GIRLS INQUIRED ABOUT MY ANGULAR GAIT, I ASKED THEM HOW THEY FELT ABOUT JOHN WAYNE. I TOLD THEM I WAS A COWBOY WITH ALL THE ACCESSORIES..WHO KNEW THE BOY SCOUT KNOTS WOULD BE SO USEFUL?...BUT I DIGRESS! )

When I do those /these exercises my sense of balance is very different from yours or anyone else! I am very, very confused by the "synchronization" of my hips , shoulders and knees because I have not had a "normal" sense of coordination in 38 years. I do not wear a 1.5" lift in my left shoe because such lifts are illegal in USGA competition which is my ultimate goal, though that is the shortness in my front or left leg.

When I do exercises 2 and 4, it feels like I am walking up and down a flight of stairs, for example.

When you or another experienced TGM person explains something to me, I practice the insight for weeks. One of my regular foursome shot an "80" last week with every lucky bounce and he has an "18" hcp. Today, he shot a 93.

Because of TGM, I have shot a 42, 44, 42, 44, and 43 on the last 45 holes. I know I can shoot par or better, on purpose, on a regular basis if I can "translate" the TGM into my kinetic language and I know if I can apprehend those insights, I can teach them to others, regardless of their physical, social, emotional or intellectual perspectives.

SO BEAR WITH ME DARYL, I'M PADDLING AS FAST AS I CAN!

What I think you are saying Daryl, and again, thankyou for making the effort, (I mean it !) is:

1) The proper pivot is an organic motion that starts from the "use of the ground" going up. "The leg bone is indeed connected to the hip bone..."

2) The plane is the thing, first, last and in the middle.

3) Turning my back hip as a startup key is a disaster since the back shoulder is thrown far off plane.

4) The TSP is no joke. The left hand is kept on plane and the back or right shoulder is correctly aligned as a result.

5) The TSP prevents OTT when controlled from the ground up. Per exercises, 5 and 6, the shoulders must be held in front while marching, as much as possible. (That's the benefit of RFT and tracing the BLP as they keep the power package in front?) (Is this why Lynn emphasizes the "clapping motion" so much since the shoulders hardly move while doing that motion?)

6) For regular folks, marching while keeping the spine on the ball, thus the shoulders as forward as possible will force a coordination between knees and arms always on plane (front knee moves to the BLP, the arms move up-plane and vice-versa.). THOSE SWINGING ON PLANE ARMS ALLOW A PERSON TO HIT THE HECK OUT OF THE BALL!


Am I getting warmer?

Patrick