LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - Pivot Drills Thread: Pivot Drills View Single Post #5 07-23-2010, 04:22 AM Daryl Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 3,521 It seems in reviewing these exercises, Daryl, that it is possible to lose ( ex. # 11) the "belly-button-handle synchronization." Thank goodness! Your goal is an On-Plane Clubshaft. Does the Plane Align with your belly-button? When I do ex. # 2, my back shoulder easily flows all the way back and very far away from the RFT line. Are you purposefully trying to swing on the Elbow Plane? Did you read my advice that said in "Exercise #2 and 4, put the Club behind your back"? Please put the club behind your back and try the exercise again. The right shoulder should not feel like its going "all the way back and very far away from the RFT line". Do this exercise with a "Stationary Head" and the club behind your back. Does the depth of the full turn of the back shoulder, driven or invited by my back hip, mandate a certain downswing? Is that where the "out to right field" strike starts from? This is a problem. It's not "so much" that your hips are controlling the shoulder turn but the way you turn your hips. There's no doubt that you have the right shoulder going way too far back and flat if you allow "turning hips" to direct them because that motion takes you off-plane. This is a sure way to make the clubhead go out to right field and rise above plane at and after impact. Going out to right field is the "out" feel of the Downstroke. It is not intended for your shaft and clubhead to literally go to right field (Rise above the plane) at impact and follow-through. You must stay on-plane for a three dimensional impact. Use a Laser. I have a "Smart Stick Laser" that I use and I can "Rip" it through the Impact interval and I'm perfectly On-Plane but if I Turn too deep on the backstroke, like you, then the Laser goes to Right Field. That's not good and Impact is not a good time to use compensations. It seems to my apprentice padowin gifts that a deep turn needs a deep pp# 4 response with angle hinge to avoid hooking the ball. The # 4 feels UP inviting the back shoulder DOWN then OUT and always FORWARD . It seems like doing ex. # 11 by keying on the belly button is an invitation to OTT land. Did you read my advice at the beginning of the post? It says "I do not recommend #10 or 11 because they promote a roundish pivot". And, unless you want to swing on the Elbow Plane or out to right field, avoid them "like the Plague". In another post of yours I read this evening, you mentioned bending and unbending the back elbow. Am I understanding you to suggest that while turning the hip back, additional elbow bend will make the turn back even deeper (ex. 4) and that the downswing pivot can be at any speed as long as the belly button is ahead of the extended elbow? The combination of the pivot leading the elbow extension negating hooks and adding power? If you rotate your hips around to turn them, then your right shoulder will go very deep and too flat and throw everything off plane. Please refer to exercise #5 and 6. March in-place while you swing your arms and you will learn the KEY to swinging on the TSP and how the Pivot can be aligned to automatically move the right shoulder On-Plane/Down-Plane every time without any effort. Keep the balls of your feet on the ground and lift your heels as you march. Experiment by exaggerating the "march" for you to feel that the Hips and Shoulders move differently but are synchronized. Don't pull the arms down, let the pivot do that. Notice that your Hips move in an alternating pattern from front to back and back to front while your shoulders move kind of up and down. Please notice that your hips turn, but you aren't rotating them. The bending and straightening knees allow the turn. HK said that if you can't get the right shoulder back to the plane during the backstroke, then use a steeper plane. In other words, use a TSP. Normal people don't have a problem getting the shoulder back to the Turned Shoulder Plane because it isn't very Far Back. In fact, from the deep shoulder turn you've become accustomed too, it will feel barely back at all. Is that what hitters do? Reverse and beast the ball with the elbow unbending? There is a lot of power there. Is that why they need aimpoints? With such a deep shoulder turn, I could drive my primary lever very hard as long as I kept the clubface/head on the baseline of the plane, but allowing that club to go so deep with the back shoulder is "hook madness, " unless I drove the lever down to my back heel with an open face. no. Last edited by Daryl : 07-23-2010 at 05:08 AM. Daryl View Public Profile Send a private message to Daryl Find all posts by Daryl