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There are implications with regards to plane angle and #3 angle in this discussion. I would contend that on the "flatter" planes . . . the club is MORE "up" vertical from the ground at a given point in the swing . . . almost counter intuitive. But I think there is more descent inherent in the flatter planes . . . could be wrong though.

12 P, do you mean a higher set of hands at address for flatter planes? Less #3 angle?

I was thinking about the old ferris wheel (all DOWN no OUT) vs the merry go round (all OUT no DOWN) analogy. The more upright the inclined plane angle gets the more Down and the less Out and vice versa. The flatter the plane angle the shallower the Angle of Attack.

There is the VJ Trolio Hands Only Plane flop shot for instance where you set the hands low low low (you'll have to forget about the on plane right arm for this one) with the wedge laid wide open, like laying on its back open and then swing along or underneath if you can, the hands plane. This takes out most of the Down, the club scalping the turf for a longish way due to the super shallow Angle of Attack, making contact easier and ball placement less critical. Its a weird one but it send the ball straight up in the air.