[Mike O]

Alrighty then.
If the primary lever assembly is left arm and clubshaft, assuming minimal throwaway, the lever is getting considerably longer as it approaches impact as the left wrist uncocks. The distance that the lever is lengthening is larger than the distance the left shoulder is moving upward. Does that sum up your view, Mike?

While Matthew must be saying the left shoulder is moving up more than the primary lever assembly is lengthening prior to and through impact? If that is so, would it not be hard to take divots?

It was sunny here and a lot of snow melted today.....temps in the 40° range forecasted tomorrow! We'll be teeing it up here in no time!

UPP in snowy Ohio

UPP,
I'm glad you posted that. No, I'm not including the left wrist at all in the equation at this point- just to keep things simple. Does it have some affect- sure but let's agree that as Matthew says it's minimal- in fact- don't even include it in the equation.

I'm saying that the number 7 is the representation of the shoulder line - and the primary lever /, looking face on to a player- say at impact fix. So, we are looking at the primary lever as if it was one single piece - one 2x4.

Now, per one of my previous posts- you took the pencil lead and put it between the "shoulders" i.e. in the middle of the top line of the 7 and then rotated it- the corner of the 7 where they both meet represents the golfer's lead shoulder at address- from the face on view. The slanting leg of the 7 represents the primary lever - from the face on view. Now, like the golfer swinging - the left shoulder of the 7 moves up but the end of the primary lever system i.e. clubhead does not begin to move up until it passes where- ever the shoulder is.

In fact if you have that pencil lead in the middle of the top line and you rotate the 7 clockwise- like the backswing in a golf swing, you can see that the shoulder goes down- while the clubhead goes up. That's the same thing that I am saying is happening on the downswing- at some point halfway down- the shoulder begins to move up in relation to the ground- as it orbits around it's own circle while the clubhead is still moving down.

Here is what started this whole thing- Matthew posted the following:
Actually, no it doesn't. This would be true if the left shoulder was stationary, however in the golf stroke the left shoulder is moving in its own little orbit that contains an upwards direction and this brings the low point backwards somewhat.

I read that as if Matthew is saying that since the left shoulder is going up that the clubhead must be going up. Maybe I read that wrong and he'll correct me but since I read it that way- I disagreed for obvious reasons stated here and my previous posts. I see the left shoulder starting to move up - when you're hands are say half way down on the down swing. Just so I can hone in on what he is saying I guess I should ask Matthew when does he see the left shoulder moving up? Matthew- where are you? Holla Back!