[Mathew]

"The question is does the left shoulder move upwards from impact and through low point? - Yes that is a fact." -YES - I agree.

Finally a modicum of sence but then you spoil it

Since the left shoulder moving upwards does this mean the whole primary lever assembly is also moving upwards? - Yes- this is a fact. NO- I don't see it that way- see my understanding above. But if we keep discussing this I should be able to understand your point or you mine.

Oh come on....

If I climbed the empire state building holding a golf club in my left hand, the left shoulder will have moved upwards as does the entire primary lever assembly.

Perhaps your Mr. Stretch ....

Since the whole primary lever assembly moves upwards and the clubhead is a part of the primary lever assembly - does this move the clubhead upwards too? - Yes this is a fact. NO- Again I don't see that but hopefully with my answers here - we can get to "common ground".

Okay....

So you must think is it possible to be holding the club in your left hand and the clubhead to be on pluto and the left shoulder here on earth ?

There is no common ground. Your arguements are ludicrious and deserve to be mocked....

Since the left shoulder is continually moving upwards mean that this effect is only going to make the clubhead orbit have its lowest point prior to the point it passes the left shoulder when viewed directly from the front - Yes , Yes, YES.... NO- That's why I thought the "7" example was a good one to show my perspective. Also, If you are saying that when the left shoulder moves upward that the clubhead moves upward- then I'd say that with that logic - then the clubhead would need to start moving upward when it was halfway down - on the downswing.

The clubhead goes upwards when the effect of the left shoulder going upwards outweighs the effect of the clubhead going downwards in relation to its own orbit which brings the low point backwards slightly from 'opposite the left shoulder'.

Obviously you don't grasp obvious things...

Your crazy counterarguement doesn't have any logic and is just a disingenious strawman.

Matthew,
See my comments above. Let me know what you think.

And why is it that no one thinks I'm funny? Gotcha- Cause I'm not! Well that's not going to stop me from harassing UPP and Bucket!!

I do hope your being comedic with this post...