[Clay Huestis]

Pivot Lag. As soon as the Hips stop moving forward or slow, the Shoulders slow then Arms, Hands and Clubhead. #3 PP should have strong Pressure at least until Both Arms Straight. Driven by the Pivot.

Not sure if I am with you on the premise that when the hips slow down they slow down the shoulders, then the arms, hands, club, etc. As I understand it, swing jackets and other body motion software show a kinetic chain where the feet, then hips, then shoulders, etc have to slow down to pass on their momentum to the next "link" in the chain. This may not be a conscious movement, but it is what I believe happens.

What good is going fast if you can’t sustain the Lag. Besides, people have different speeds. People with fast Hips won’t hit the ball any farther unless they can move that Right Hip a long Way Through Impact.

Please keep in mind that Most Golfers (maybe 95%) do not move their Right Hip Far enough. You though, may have more than adequate Right Hip Travel. But, if you find yourself moving the ball back in your stance for Irons, then you probably don’t either and you simply have not learned to Pivot in a way that allows for one Ball Position. If you play the Ball back in your stance, then it’s because your Hands simply are not getting to the ball if played just behind Low Point. That’s a Pivot Problem.

I agree most golfers don't get their hips open enough at impact. I, too, am a fan of a forward ball placement (and a relatively wide stance). For what it's worth, I play a single ball position and a relatively wide, but varying, stance width.

First learn to Pivot, then learn to go faster, IF your Body can Handle it. Mine can't!!! I'm 6 feet tall, 200 pounds, and My Pivot is too powerful for my arms and hands to handle. I'm very Strong but my arms simply cannot handle the Pressure that my Pivot can put on them. My Hands know, and they Tell me to take it down a notch. Honestly, during my downswing, my Hands are Telling my Pivot to cool it.


Fair enough. I think each person's swing, and more importantly, their feels, are independent...you gotta listen to what your body tells you. I am 5' 10" 150 lbs, and have no problems with pivoting as hard as I can.

mrdock, I'm with you on the deal with Hogan's left shoulder going down....I would have to look at more pictures and video though, but I think in his later years (the 1967 swing in VJ's book for instance), his left shoulder actually goes down in the backswing, as he sets his secondary axis tilt and gets over his left leg. I don't think (but I'm not sure), that his shoulder goes down after that. Also, with more axis tilt, a relatively flatter shoulder turn still gets the right shoulder on plane...with no tilt, the shoulders have to turn very steeply to get on plane. Anyway, for me, when I do a VJ Trolio/Hogan type pivot, I feel like my right shoulder gets on plane pretty quickly.