[6bmike]

Obviously this could go on and on. I appreciate the discussion. I have trouble with ( or at least I question in the context of a questioning of ideas presented by Tomasello):

" if TT taught Delayed Hip Action, his hips would lead the downswing."
This seems to automatically associate DHA with hips leading the downswing. I don't have my book with me. But I'm pretty sure 7-15 does not say "hips lead the downswing", it says "hips lead the shoulders" (precise definition of hip action). Important distiction for me.
This definitely leaves the door open for something else to lead the downswing.
What is the wording in 10-19 - C? I'll check later.

"Hula Hula sets up the Hands, clears the hips and allows for a Hand over pivot delivery of the club to the ball."

Hula Hula is a subset of the pivot. It is the pivot (or part of). Can you say, " 'Part of the pivot (or action of the pivot) sets up the hands, clears the hips, and allows for a hand over pivot delivery of the club to the ball' " This sounds like pivot controlled hands.

"Hula Hula- makes Hands control Pivot with a Centered Head work. And that is a Hip Action BEFORE any Hand action- magically or not."

The hands make the pivot work in a hands controlled pivot. Maybe it is strictly the brain knowing the intent of the hands or maybe a very small action (i'm not sure). As you can tell from the rest of the golf world, humans pay attention, to and notice more the big items (hips as opposed to the slightest hand action or feel).

The Hands train the pivot to work.
If you think the Hands need to move before the pivot can function, that it needs to move a hit a switch before any part of the body can move then you fail to see the big picture.

Both Hitters and Swingers, as Homer and Yoda teach, have the Pivot pull the Arms and Club into the Downstroke, until the Lag to load and the right shoulder to reach maximum speed, a swingers gyro or a Hitter’s muscular thrust.

What moves first in the pivot? The clearing action of Hula Hula- the hips. This is not pivot control hands as you think. The clearing allows nothing but unobstructed freedom for the hands to swing.

And I surely hope you lead your downswing with the shoulders and not the arms are hands unless you like to OTT. Perhaps over active clamps- the Hands are a problem. Close that door as soon as possible. Hips lead the Downswing because they lead the shoulders which lead the Hands- Its called PIVOT LAG. P-I-V-O-T L-A-G. One of three types of LAG.

10-19-C calls for "an "Instant Acceleration" Hip Action so that the throw out Action can immediately set up the Rhythm and take over the rest of the Downstroke sequence."

What is the Downstroke sequence? Well according to Homer in 6-M-1 in starts with the "feet in the following order: Knees, Hips, Shoulders, Arms, Right Elbow, Left Wristcock, and/or Left Hand rotation. That overcoming of Clubhead Inertia during the Start Down by the pivot with start to pull your arrow from the quiver.

The Power Accumulator release always starts with #4 which is an attempt to 'blast off' off the left arm by the right shoulder thrust. Then #1, #2, and #3.

This is what Homer wrote. This is what Yoda lifted fog from. This is TGM fact.

Can you lower the Hands then pivot? Sure, much closer to a Standard- old time- hip action, 10-14-A. Maybe this is what TT taught DG. Others say they were taught something else. I really don't care. I'd much rather hear from other students of Tom's would might be slightly removed from the "awe."

BUT... allowing the hips to clear and the pivot to overcome of Clubhead Inertia at the start of the stroke is NOT Pivot control.