[lagster]

I have been looking at the photos of Hogan's swing in "power Golf", specifically at the degree of downswing shoulder rotation and "downness" of the right shoulder.

My basic assumption/knowledge for swingers is :-

Rotation of shoulders leads to start of throw out action

Delay throw out action by "moving in a straight line"

Secondary axis tilt provides straight line motion and delays throw out.


Now based on that I have studied the face on photos of Hogan and was surprised that his downswing begins with quite alot of shoulder rotation combined withlateral weight shift to left.

See his "end" position

Shoulder turn is about 110 degrees - John Daly style

See his "Downswing hands mid chest location"

Shoulder turn is about 30 degrees and shoulders are level.

ie. lots of rotation of shoulders for not much "downness" of right shoulder down plane

His hands have moved about 30 inches.


Now look at pictures through to impact

The shoulders complete the last 30-40 degrees of rotation but right shoulder goes much more down and more obvious tilt.

What I am leading to is a discussion of when does axis tilt occur. Hogan seems to have a definite rotation of about 70 degress on downswing before much right shoulder down plane action and tilt occurs.

Is this early ( relative to tilting) shoulder rotation the way that a swinger goes from "end " to the "top" of his straight line delivery path??

Is downswing shoulder rotation needed for "top arc" and secondary axis tilt needed for "straight line delivery "??

Do these observations seem true to you. I know that if I try to tilt too soon on downswing my weight never really shifts to the left and my right shoulder is in an impact degree of "downess" ( relative to Hogan) but my hands are still mid-chest.

Thanks for any thoughts...

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If you look at pictures of Sergio Garcia... you will see a similar shoulder action to Ben Hogan. Bobby Clampett is another.
Their right shoulder does not appear to move Down, until very late in the downswing.

I believe Mr. Skywalker has some information posted dealing with AXIS TILTS and DELIVERY PATHS.

If the downswing sequencing gets off, and/or PIVOT LAG is out of order due to an emphasis on the RIGHT SHOULDER MOTION AT STARTDOWN... I can see how this could cause problems. This is sometimes a problem. When concentrating on one component, sometimes the others that should come before that one can be smothered out. All the right things need to be in there... even and especially... when you are monitoring certain things.