[DOCW3]

Originally Posted by DOCW3

Originally Posted by rwh Originally Posted by hcw Originally Posted by annikan skywalker ...but remember the Plane Angle Shifts(rotates up and down from its baseline)....Annikan Huh?...How does the above fit with 2-F's: "All the action of the Golf Club takes place on a flat, inflexible, Inclined Plane which extends well beyond the circumfrence of the stroke-in every direction. The full length of the Club shaft remains unwaveringly on the face of this Inclined Plane--Waggle to Follow-through." ...now that "SAM 2000" thing seems to go with the above perfectly as well as the geometry of the circle... -hcw Per 10-7, although the Base of the Inclined Plane stays in place, the angle of the Inclined Plane can change ("Shift") during the swing, just like when you open and close the cover of a book that is laying flat on a table. In fact, the Plane Angle can Shift a number of times during the swing. Whether the Plane Angle shifts or not, the Inclined Plane remains flat and inflexible. rwh~ 7-6 and 7-7 support your post, even acknowledging that it is not always advisable to adhere to a single inclined plane classification throughout the stroke. However, does not the "shift" bring with it the hazards Mr. Kelley cautions about and their consequences? And, is one of those consequences not satisfying the desirable shoulder/hand relationship in the downstroke of 7-13 as illustrated in the stroke clip? Or, is it satisfied? DRW

Doc,

Agree. I didn't intend to advocate in favor of a Plane Shift; rather, I was acknowledging that it may shift. Mr. Kelley clearly favored a Downstroke Plane on which the Shoulder could move and that is what I try to do.

rwh~

Although I wasn't reading your post as advocating in favor of a shift, the tour swings and the need to acknowledge Mr. Kelley's acceptance of shifts even if not preferred can cometimes result in the zero shift advantages being overlooked. My view is that the overall plane subject may be the most difficult for the new student to grasp even with extensive book study and help from the more experienced as yourself. I want to be confident in this area but am not and tend to struggle in asking the "right" questions. Thanks for your help.

DRW