Shifting back to EP... getting steeper etc

[PingG10Guy]

It's been a while since my last post, but Im at a point in my swing where I need to figure out how to get back to elbow plane. Im beginning to think it is a wrist issue at the top. Here's some info about my setup

Strong DA grip
Rotated(impact hands but Left wrist is bent, Right wrist is flat)
Body lines parallel to the target line
rotated shoulder turn in the bs


Since Im already setup with the hands to cock on plane, shouldnt there be a noticeable amount of bend in my left wrist at the top of the swing? If I have a visually flat left wrist at the top then Im shut.
What is keeping my left wrist in the correct position from P1-P4? The back of the left forearm?

Here's a vid

[whip]

I don't teach position golf (p1-p4) im not familiar, personally I would change the grip to a strong single action, also I would get your right knee into right anchor in the backswing maintaining it's flex with your left knee bending out instead of toward the right and your right knee bending back an straightening your head is pulled toward the ball and down in the backswing this is a faulty pivot, work on this before worrying about shifting planes because your plane is better than your pivot at this point,the pivot gets first priority always until it is quite proficient. Also itlooks like your employing a shoulder turn takeaway with single left wrist action I'd like to see more of a rft with standard wrist action a rotating left wrist, you look like a good player who doesn't need to be limited by these faulty position golf restraints it will only limit your power and precision with Tgm you are essentially limitless

[PingG10Guy]

I don't teach position golf (p1-p4) im not familiar, personally I would change the grip to a strong single action, also I would get your right knee into right anchor in the backswing maintaining it's flex with your left knee bending out instead of toward the right and your right knee bending back an straightening your head is pulled toward the ball and down in the backswing this is a faulty pivot, work on this before worrying about shifting planes because your plane is better than your pivot at this point,the pivot gets first priority always until it is quite proficient. Also itlooks like your employing a shoulder turn takeaway with single left wrist action I'd like to see more of a rft with standard wrist action a rotating left wrist, you look like a good player who doesn't need to be limited by these faulty position golf restraints it will only limit your power and precision with Tgm you are essentially limitless

I was referring to the muscle tension required to keep some bend in my lead wrist from startup to the top of the backswing so Im not so shut. You answered my question though.

Not familiar with the rotating left wrist but will review it in my yellow book tonight. Any "feels" that explain it??

[whip]

Any and all muscle tension can be thrown into the garbage, I want zero muscle tension with only the slightest right tricep pressure to maintain extensor, extensor should eliminate all tension! Do not worry about shifing back to the elbow plane, get the left wrist flat and vertical at address then with extensor and with pivot fan and lift the right forearm which will turn and cock the left wrist into standard wrist action. Ping g10 guy because you have a yellow book and are interested I will give you some component variations to study 10-2-b, 10-3-b, 10-13-b/d, 10-16-c, 10-18-a bottom line forget p1-p4 Mac tiger foley etc and work on real fundamentals, keep your head still! Don't let your head move down and forward then up and back keep it in one place maintain the same right knee flex at address into the top let your left knee move in toward the right instead of out toward the ball. Lift and fan the right forearm with hip turn and a flatter shoulder turn and extensor. The way this works is I can't give u a feel u have to do the mechanics cold even when it doesn't feel right once you can do them cold you will establish what it feels like to u to achieve those mechanics and alignments not positions. Only then can you improve feel from mechanics not mechanics from feel alignment golf absolutely smothers position golf

[PingG10Guy]

10-2-b, 10-3-b, 10-13-b/d, 10-16-c, 10-18-a

Im on it. thanks

[O.B.Left]

It's been a while since my last post, but Im at a point in my swing where I need to figure out how to get back to elbow plane. Im beginning to think it is a wrist issue at the top. Here's some info about my setup

Strong DA grip
Rotated(impact hands but Left wrist is bent, Right wrist is flat)
Body lines parallel to the target line
rotated shoulder turn in the bs


Since Im already setup with the hands to cock on plane, shouldnt there be a noticeable amount of bend in my left wrist at the top of the swing? If I have a visually flat left wrist at the top then Im shut.
What is keeping my left wrist in the correct position from P1-P4? The back of the left forearm?

A few things for your consideration:

-Homer slightly changed his definition of the Elbow Plane as he went along . Using the latter version: To be on an Elbow Plane (there being a range of Elbow Planes) your Right Forearm including your Elbow and club must be on the same plane. You were close at address but not quite , making for a Hands Plane . At impact you did get on an Elbow Plane , as most good golfers do. If you preference is for a lower Elbow plane angle at impact you could just shift down using a vertical drop of the Hands and Arms via the Right Elbow . The right arm lifts and lowers ideally. If on the other hand your preference is for less shifting you could raise your left hand to level at Address , giving you a nice TGM style arm set with wedges and an elbow plane which would more closely match your Impact Elbow Plane Angle. Seeing the rest of your pattern I suspect this isnt your preference but give it a try and see if you like it.

-the common business of looking at the face at Top and prescribing it to be parallel to the left arm for all players is not correct. Changes in grip type change the club face's correct alignment at Top profoundly. What can look closed to most eyes at Top isnt given a Turned to Plane Left Hand Grip Type. Same in Finish Swivel where the face can look totally weird for the Turned Left Hand Grip Types.

-if both your of your hands are turned to plane as you say, parallel palms so to speak, then a bending of the right hand back beyonds its Impact Fix degree of bend will flatten and arch the the left hand ( introduce unwanted horizontal left hand motion). Over bending the Right Hand can have a false feel of wrist cock to it but when done is often at the expense of the left hands correct condition . Leading to of blocking left wrist cocking. Although Dustin can get it cocked while arched somehow.

[BerntR]

PingG10Guy,

I agree with everything Whip said....

I also think you should look at 10-7 (double shift), and combine that with a dual horizontal hinge takeaway. I think this will set you up better for maintaining shaft angle in the down stroke.