Not swinging from the feet, no big hip turn turning the shoulders but yes red meat hitting for sure. Right elbow positioned for the out and out push. Not even close to a side arm throw like some golfing hitters do.
I dunno about angled , I see (and feel) a ton of blade rotation for the basic low slapper. All that bending in slow mo may distort the look of the face for a bit but It does roll over quickly.
Its a different deal maybe, that disc wants to be spun so it flies like a frisbee.
hockey is hockey golf is golf, while there are similarities in a lot of sports, its the details of what you're trying to accomplish in that sport that makes the difference in technique and their IS a difference.
hockey is hockey golf is golf, while there are similarities in a lot of sports, its the details of what you're trying to accomplish in that sport that makes the difference in technique and their IS a difference.
Clearly....BUT ..... there is a broader point to be made here...you get it ....many don't....
Hockey is hockey YES....but there are many cats that know golf that DON'T KNOW SQUAT ABOUT....HITTING.....There are plenty of golf guru's that make millions of dollaz that think Hitting is a "punch shot"....there are PLENTY....maybe even the majority...of GSEB's, GSEM's GSEDizzlewizzles GSE-ain't-got-no-apostolic-succession...that don't understand Hitting...MUCH LESS TEACH IT.
So don't miss the broader point here...Hockey's got many Hitting Alignments, Hitting loading, Hitting Hinging, Hitting Paddlewheel Motion, Hitting Drive Out, Hitting Layback and Closing, Right Forearm alignment, support and powered.....It don't just happen in Golf...but we can use G.O.L.F. to make it happen and broaden our understanding...and make it accessable to folks that don't get it.....remember in the book HOmer says that his system could be used in other sports...WHY NOT HOCKEY? Stick game on an angled plane....Homer used many examples outside of golf to illustrate his principles....same thing going on here....sometimes it helps to see similar stuff going outside of golf....the geometry is applicable to many sports....so is the physics....just trying to get Hitting its proper due.
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There is a healthy amount of overlap in a sequenced release. You have to start rolling well before impact(at which point the left wrist is level). Since there is still an angle well less than 180 degs between the left forearm and shaft when the left wrist is level with any normal grip, and even less still at the point that the roll starts, you're rolling a big bat(the whole club), not a little one(the clubhead).
Don't forget though, how important the right arm is here.
Bucket - that is the key here.
Tiger has moved the 'closing' to the right place, from a timed left wrist flip (which only works well by CF), to the straightening right arm and pivot throw out.
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Why is lots of pa3 inconsistent with level left wrist?
But if you got acute pa3 angle, your pa3 rotational power would be enough, no need for pa2 velocity power because you've already got huge/longer clubhead travel, hence momentum before hitting the ball is bigger. But to roll that pa3, you've got to have level left wrist
What do you think MJ?
With the left wrist level, the #3 angle is whatever it is, no adjustment is possible. To increase #3, you must cock the left wrist bringing the shaft closer to the forearm, but then the left wrist is no longer level. The wrist cannot be both cocked and level at the same time.
With the left wrist level, the #3 angle is whatever it is, no adjustment is possible. To increase #3, you must cock the left wrist bringing the shaft closer to the forearm, but then the left wrist is no longer level. The wrist cannot be both cocked and level at the same time.
Yes you can. While the left wrist is level, without c0cking or unc0cking it, you can adjust the pa3 angle.
The butt of the grip is trapped under the palm heel pad. That's a constant. Now, to adjust the pa3 angle, all you have to do is move the portion of the grip lying on the other side of the hand/palm. With your left palm in shake hands position, you just lower that portion of the grip (more down away from the palm, more towards or actually ON the index finger) while keeping the butt of grip trapped on heel pad and you'll get lesser pa3 angle. To have more pa3 angle, while keeping the butt of grip trapped under the heel pad, you move up or higher the portion of the grip on the other side of the palm/hand (more towards the palm, away from index finger).
Yes you can. While the left wrist is level, without c0cking or unc0cking it, you can adjust the pa3 angle.
The butt of the grip is trapped under the palm heel pad. That's a constant. Now, to adjust the pa3 angle, all you have to do is move the portion of the grip lying on the other side of the hand/palm. With your left palm in shake hands position, you just lower that portion of the grip (more down away from the palm, more towards or actually ON the index finger) while keeping the butt of grip trapped on heel pad and you'll get lesser pa3 angle. To have more pa3 angle, while keeping the butt of grip trapped under the heel pad, you move up or higher the portion of the grip on the other side of the palm/hand (more towards the palm, away from index finger).
There you go MJ.
That puts the grip parallel to the base of the fingers and I've never seen a good player do that, especially Hogan, who is very specific about it on pg 21 of 5L!
That puts the grip parallel to the base of the fingers and I've never seen a good player do that, especially Hogan, who is very specific about it on pg 21 of 5L!
Yup agree. But that's in response to your previous assertion that it can't be done.
Anyway, I think compared to other players, Hogan's left hand knuckles are more PARALLEL to shaft at delivery position. You can see it in all his face-on delivery position pics/vid sequence. From that position, what will he (and Tiger) do? Pa2/unc0ck/velocity power? No way. It's pa3/roll/supination.
Clearly....BUT ..... there is a broader point to be made here...you get it ....many don't....
Hockey is hockey YES....but there are many cats that know golf that DON'T KNOW SQUAT ABOUT....HITTING.....There are plenty of golf guru's that make millions of dollaz that think Hitting is a "punch shot"....there are PLENTY....maybe even the majority...of GSEB's, GSEM's GSEDizzlewizzles GSE-ain't-got-no-apostolic-succession...that don't understand Hitting...MUCH LESS TEACH IT.
So don't miss the broader point here...Hockey's got many Hitting Alignments, Hitting loading, Hitting Hinging, Hitting Paddlewheel Motion, Hitting Drive Out, Hitting Layback and Closing, Right Forearm alignment, support and powered.....It don't just happen in Golf...but we can use G.O.L.F. to make it happen and broaden our understanding...and make it accessable to folks that don't get it.....remember in the book HOmer says that his system could be used in other sports...WHY NOT HOCKEY? Stick game on an angled plane....Homer used many examples outside of golf to illustrate his principles....same thing going on here....sometimes it helps to see similar stuff going outside of golf....the geometry is applicable to many sports....so is the physics....just trying to get Hitting its proper due.
You're on the money here, Bucket, and in your own inimitable style.
As usual.
Now, what say you about Arnie'ssteep backstroke shoulder turn, the steepest of all the major champions? (Same as the hockey player Patrrick Kane with his slap shot in your prior post #129). Especially when coupled with what has been described by some as a flat arm swing? Address the 'closed' clubface if you think its relevant.
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