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Old 12-18-2010, 10:26 AM
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My experience with the critics, who seem to have an emotional attachment to proving Mr. Kelley wrong, is when they get to the point of puting forth their own "system" it always sounds suspiciously like Homer's.

Write a compehensive book covering all the important scientific factors which are involved in the golf swing, and include a system(with illustrations) which complies with it and put it next to the yellow book.

Good luck with that!

I recall in the Audio of Homer's initial conversation with Yoda, he remarked that during the many years it took him to write the book at no time did he think he was more than 30 days from finishing. What's that tell ya?
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Old 12-18-2010, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by chipingguru View Post
My experience with the critics, who seem to have an emotional attachment to proving Mr. Kelley wrong, is when they get to the point of puting forth their own "system" it always sounds suspiciously like Homer's.

Write a compehensive book covering all the important scientific factors which are involved in the golf swing, and include a system(with illustrations) which complies with it and put it next to the yellow book.

Good luck with that!

I recall in the Audio of Homer's initial conversation with Yoda, he remarked that during the many years it took him to write the book at no time did he think he was more than 30 days from finishing. What's that tell ya?
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Old 12-18-2010, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by chipingguru View Post
My experience with the critics, who seem to have an emotional attachment to proving Mr. Kelley wrong, is when they get to the point of puting forth their own "system" it always sounds suspiciously like Homer's.

Write a compehensive book covering all the important scientific factors which are involved in the golf swing, and include a system(with illustrations) which complies with it and put it next to the yellow book.

Good luck with that!

I recall in the Audio of Homer's initial conversation with Yoda, he remarked that during the many years it took him to write the book at no time did he think he was more than 30 days from finishing. What's that tell ya?

Yes , it might have even been "no more than one week" from finishing, if I my recollection serves.
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Old 12-18-2010, 03:06 PM
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Daryl I luv you too man, heck everybody does. Whats not to like?

But you're far too smart and good looking to cast yourself in the guard dog role. Homer doesnt need to be guarded actually. He's doing pretty good, pretty dog gone good.

I dont know what goes on in other forums and so I take people at face value around here. We need a discussion about Homer vs modern impact data. Those launch monitors are here to stay. Ive asked many (un biased) Trackman proficient pros for their opinion on things......so far there is no discrepancy between the two. One of those who graciously offered an opinion is a person besieged right here.

And IF Homer is wrong about something........we should be the ones to identify it first. Homer , over the course of his 7 editions altered his opinion on many things, elbow plane for instance. If, Homer wasnt afraid to change course why should we be? He wanted someone to take on the challenge of continuing his work. He said as much just prior to his Valentines day speech in Macon. He didnt want the work to stop upon his death.


The body of his work , his contribution which is still being unearthed today shall live for as long as people study this game. Whether he makes a mistake or not doesnt change this. Leonardo had some major goof ups. Thats the price of hanging your ass out on a limb maybe. Ive said it before but Ill say it again. Leonardo thought the male erection was a product of compressed air from within the body.........but that doesnt take the smile off of Mona Lisa. In fact...maybe thats what the smile is all about.

Visionaries , early adopters then followed by the masses but often with a trail of errors and then the next set of visionaries with their early adopters.....such is life and innovation. We're still waiting for the next golf visionary in my opinion....dont hold your breath, it could take a century or two. And Homer uncovered the geometry so I cant imagine what the next level is going to be......no idea.

Homers doin good man. Dont bolt the knowledge door shut. If you do Homer himself would want to get outa here before you do it. Me too for that matter.

I know where you're coming from...... I do. Dont let the agenda driven ," dont know what Homer really meant but Im gonna get him anyways" crowd, get you all riled up. I dont mind the fight, maybe its good for business even.......but we have to address modern impact data. Invite those dudes in , we need them. Either the entity lives , breaths and evolves or it ceases to live and breath and becomes artifact. This will happen eventually but its far , far too early for that. Homer's work should evolve for another few centuries or more before joining Leonardo's helicopter or Freud's complex or or or ..... beautiful things all. Homer's language may last as long as the game itself however.

I say this with great reverence for Homer and Lynn which I hope is understood.

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Old 12-19-2010, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Daryl I luv you too man, heck everybody does. Whats not to like?

But you're far too smart and good looking to cast yourself in the guard dog role. Homer doesnt need to be guarded actually. He's doing pretty good, pretty dog gone good.

I dont know what goes on in other forums and so I take people at face value around here. We need a discussion about Homer vs modern impact data. Those launch monitors are here to stay. Ive asked many (un biased) Trackman proficient pros for their opinion on things......so far there is no discrepancy between the two. One of those who graciously offered an opinion is a person besieged right here.

And IF Homer is wrong about something........we should be the ones to identify it first. Homer , over the course of his 7 editions altered his opinion on many things, elbow plane for instance. If, Homer wasnt afraid to change course why should we be? He wanted someone to take on the challenge of continuing his work. He said as much just prior to his Valentines day speech in Macon. He didnt want the work to stop upon his death.


The body of his work , his contribution which is still being unearthed today shall live for as long as people study this game. Whether he makes a mistake or not doesnt change this. Leonardo had some major goof ups. Thats the price of hanging your ass out on a limb maybe. Ive said it before but Ill say it again. Leonardo thought the male erection was a product of compressed air from within the body.........but that doesnt take the smile off of Mona Lisa. In fact...maybe thats what the smile is all about.

Visionaries , early adopters then followed by the masses but often with a trail of errors and then the next set of visionaries with their early adopters.....such is life and innovation. We're still waiting for the next golf visionary in my opinion....dont hold your breath, it could take a century or two. And Homer uncovered the geometry so I cant imagine what the next level is going to be......no idea.

Homers doin good man. Dont bolt the knowledge door shut. If you do Homer himself would want to get outa here before you do it. Me too for that matter.

I know where you're coming from...... I do. Dont let the agenda driven ," dont know what Homer really meant but Im gonna get him anyways" crowd, get you all riled up. I dont mind the fight, maybe its good for business even.......but we have to address modern impact data. Invite those dudes in , we need them. Either the entity lives , breaths and evolves or it ceases to live and breath and becomes artifact. This will happen eventually but its far , far too early for that. Homer's work should evolve for another few centuries or more before joining Leonardo's helicopter or Freud's complex or or or ..... beautiful all. His language may last as long as the game itself.

I say this with great reverence for Homer and Lynn which I hope is understood.
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Old 12-19-2010, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
And IF Homer is wrong about something........we should be the ones to identify it first. Homer , over the course of his 7 editions altered his opinion on many things, elbow plane for instance. If, Homer wasnt afraid to change course why should we be? He wanted someone to take on the challenge of continuing his work. He said as much just prior to his Valentines day speech in Macon. He didnt want the work to stop upon his death.
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Well said. I don't have the time invested here or in the book that you do -- I'm just starting my journey -- but your views encourage me that this is the right journey to take.

Daryl,

Thank you for your many contributions to the site and the body of knowledge. I appreciate the time and effort you put into it.

John,

I hope you find a way to contribute here -- debate can be very healthy and drive all our understanding. I've viewed some of your videos and found them helpful in my own understanding. Hopefully, you'll want to gain some understanding here, too.
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Old 12-19-2010, 06:01 PM
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O.B.

Well said. I don't have the time invested here or in the book that you do -- I'm just starting my journey -- but your views encourage me that this is the right journey to take.

That says a lot Brian, thank you.

By the way when you do get the invite to join the inner secret sect watch out for Daryl , he's the big guy in the hood with the paddle in one hand and the taly on the other arm. Best to scoot past him as fast as you can crawl down the receiving line.
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Old 12-19-2010, 06:07 PM
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That says a lot Brian, thank you.

By the way when you do get the invite to join the inner secret sect watch out for Daryl , he's the big guy in the hood with the paddle in one hand and the taly on the other arm. Best to scoot past him as fast as you can crawl down the receiving line.
As in "thank you, sir, may I please have another!"?
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Old 12-19-2010, 06:25 PM
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As in "thank you, sir, may I please have another!"?

Could be perhaps, but if Bucket or Mike O. were to say "I look forward to meeting you" it could mean something else entirely so its hard to say.

Ive said too much I have to go now.
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Old 12-19-2010, 06:29 PM
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Pinto finds a home...
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he's the big guy in the hood with the paddle in one hand and the taly on the other arm.
Actually, I feel like Pinto having found the right, slightly off kilter fraternity for myself with TGM and LBG. You know, the guys who really know what's going on and who really know how to have fun, but who aren't mainstream.

Every time I try to have a TGM discussion with the "real" golf types, I feel like the rush party in Animal House --

Neidermeyer: Hi there, fellows. Meet Ken and Lonny.
Larry: Larry.
Neidermeyer: Ken, Lonny, l'd like you to meet Mohammet Jugdish, Sidney and Clayton. Grab a seat and make yourselves at home. Don't be shy about helping yourselves to punch and cookies...
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