Flat left wrist

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No question that Allenby has a terrific pattern. He is one of the best ball strikers out there!

His backswing brings to mind Kenny Perry.

[Daryl]

Can you really swing with passive arms and have any serious power?

I treated the Topic as humorously as possible. If I want to struggle with my Legs I'll run a Marathon.

The Right Elbow straightening without forcing the Left Wrist to Uncock is not saying that the Arms don't have serious Power. In fact, I think that the Power Package accounts for 85% or more of the Clubhead Speed in a golf swing.

Clubhead speed is increased with a longer stroke and shorter Release Interval. Pivot motion speed is converted into Pressure Point Pressure by the Power Package. In other words, Pivot Speed is converted to Clubhead Mass by the Power Package. 2 mph pivot speed increase is not much velocity but it can double the mass of the Clubhead through Pressure Point Pressure increase.

How much speed can the Pivot impart to the Clubhead? I don't know but I have a good guesstimate. A 6 MPH Pivot is 1 MPH faster than a 5 MPH Pivot.

I Think that golfers trying to increase their Pivot beyond a manageable level will waste most of that effort by reconciling misalignment's and not hitting the ball with the Sweet-spot of the club-face or not sustaining the line of compression.

I'm not saying that one way is better than another. Besides, we're talking about increasing Driving Distance from 280 yards to 300. That's not a very big value for the time we spend talking about it. Golf is not only about Tournament Golf. It is possible to play for fun. There are guys that play with their wives and family. Hey, and don't forget the beverage cart and the cart girl.

Drive for show, Putt for dough.

[12 piece bucket]

I don't know I think Miller DOES know quite a bit about swing stuff . . . . his videos are pretty good. I also agree that that left knee deal looks like it would hurt. Probably not something you'd tell the dude to fix at that level . . . but not many people have that kind of knee action on tour even Lehman . . . . . . but whatever . . . he's a millionaire and I'm a goat farmer. Miller had a low exit like that too . . . and a weak grip . . . and a little bit of that left knee bent deal too.

[Daryl]

I don't know I think Miller DOES know quite a bit about swing stuff . . . . his videos are pretty good. I also agree that that left knee deal looks like it would hurt. Probably not something you'd tell the dude to fix at that level . . . but not many people have that kind of knee action on tour even Lehman . . . They talk about his rotation . . . .heck his pivot kinda stalled out to me . . . but whatever . . . he's a millionaire and I'm a goat farmer.

At least he says what other announcers wouldn't dare say. I really liked him as a Player. Great competitor.

I didn't know he had videos. They're probably videos of him announcing.

Hey, owning two Goats named "Bubba" and "Bubbles" does not make a Goat Farmer. You're a Breeder.

[O.B.Left]

I don't know I think Miller DOES know quite a bit about swing stuff . . . . his videos are pretty good. I also agree that that left knee deal looks like it would hurt. Probably not something you'd tell the dude to fix at that level . . . but not many people have that kind of knee action on tour even Lehman . . . . . . but whatever . . . he's a millionaire and I'm a goat farmer. Miller had a low exit like that too . . . and a weak grip . . . and a little bit of that left knee bent deal too.

Ya, double anchor for sure. It goes with a hip stall quite often. Then the Arms run off way ahead of the body. I guess his run inside which is what Miller is noticing. The complete opposite of Hogan, who had the hands in front of the body nicely post follow through.

Johnny can be a bit much sometimes but I think he knows a lot about golf and G.O.L.F. too. There is a story about him inquiring about endorsing TGM , reshooting the photos to feature himself. But Homer didnt have the money asked for or the inclination. Not sure how Johnny woulda looked in that wool skirt either.

His choke watch stuff drives me crazy. He tried it with Brian Gay when he was lapping the field at Harbor Town. Didnt work. I guess it keeps the viewers watching. Like waiting for a crash at a car race or something.

[gmbtempe]

His choke watch stuff drives me crazy. He tried it with Brian Gay when he was lapping the field at Harbor Town. Didnt work. I guess it keeps the viewers watching. Like waiting for a crash at a car race or something.

ummm...Doesnt CBS have Harbor Town, are you thinking of Jim Nance?

[O.B.Left]

Maybe it wasnt Johnny Miller ..............I remember the choke watch being initiated by some announcer that Sunday, however briefly. My apologies if it wasnt Johnny. He is a master of it, however. Too bad he didnt call his own last victory at Pebble , that was hard to watch but an amazing feat all the same. As a player he had moments of absolute brilliance, to say the least.

[O.B.Left]

the pivot causes the throw out for a swinger, in cases where you really have to force the roll to square up, odds are that you are compensating for something (bad alignments, off plane motion and/or rhythm)

think of it this way - in a sequenced release of a swinger, the wrist uncocks, the pivot causes the roll

This makes a lot of sense EdZ thanks. The swinger then uses his pivot Zone 1 to get the Left Hand off the Inclined Plane, the Release Swivel, is that right? Where as the Hitter will drive the Right Arm and paddle wheel the Right Hand off the Inclined Plane earlier, an overlapped Release.

I guess you have to define what Brad Faxon meant by "squaring up the face". Release Swivel or Hinge Action. Its an old common golf speak phrase but................. Horizontal Hinging is pure compression, closing with no layback, and has a lot of roll to it. Its "square" at one brief point in time only, Separation.

Thinking about this some more..........typically, the Hitter's Angled Hinging is a product of his Right Arm Thrust, Zone 2. The Swingers Horizontal a product of CF, Zone 1.

I dunno, heck I was hitting all over hells half acre yesterday. Id say you cant square the clubface....... its impossible.

[EdZ]

There is less roll to a horizontal hinge than most might think. The easiest check is to go to the horizontal plane.

At any point in the motion from hip to hip, if you raise the club up to the horizontal plane, the toe should be straight up.

the closing motion, relative to the left shoulder hinge pin, is exactly like a closing door, and a closing door has a smooth, steady rate of closing. It may feel like a quick roll with a snap release down on the angled plane, but the hinge motion - from impact to separation - is as smoothly closing as that door.

Part of the advantage of the pivot causing the throw out and roll is that the pivot acts like the rotor that the door closes around - a smooth rate of closing. Not a swivel as hinge action.

[O.B.Left]

Great post.

"Thanks EdZ. I did not know that".

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