Clearing the fog on the #3 pressure point and the definition of "AFT"

[12 piece bucket]

Its funny , even in this thread there is misunderstanding. I understand all the concepts you try to explain that is not what i am talking about. Im not taking about where you should feell the pressure point i have listened to many masters classes and been reading the book for 10 years. What i am asking is about the actual location of the #3 pressure point as outlined in the book at address as you put it on the shaft because i am just reading what he says and it seems to be different that what i had learned. Reread my first post as to why i think the pressure point he is talking abut is the base or first joint of the index finger. Thanks for the replys

B can you post the passage or the reference again? Sorry man.

[Burner]

Its funny , even in this thread there is misunderstanding. I understand all the concepts you try to explain that is not what i am talking about. Im not taking about where you should feell the pressure point i have listened to many masters classes and been reading the book for 10 years. What i am asking is about the actual location of the #3 pressure point as outlined in the book at address as you put it on the shaft because i am just reading what he says and it seems to be different that what i had learned. Reread my first post as to why i think the pressure point he is talking abut is the base or first joint of the index finger. Thanks for the replys

The #3 pressure point, as I understand it, is the fleshy pad between the palm of your hand and the first knuckle joint of the index finger - the metacarpal.

This is (should be?) the only part of that finger in contact with the aft part of the club shaft.

[bantamben1]

Real quick burner what you are saying is what i wrote, thats what i always thought as well but reread please the first post and to why its seems to me that the yelow book is saying with applying the context that it is not the fleshy pad or first section of your index finger. It just woudnt jive with the grip explanation.

[Burner]

Real quick burner what you are saying is what i wrote, thats what i always thought as well but reread please the first post and to why its seems to me that the yelow book is saying with applying the context that it is not the fleshy pad or first section of your index finger. It just woudnt jive with the grip explanation.

Homer's reference, IMHO, to the first joint is to that part of the finger you and I have identified; the proximal phalanx - not the joints either end of it.

Certainly this is where the shaft butts up against Diane's dainty little digit in the book.

[Yoda]

Grip a straw in your RH index finger (opposite for lefties, of course). Locate it securely in the joint. Regardless of shaft butt diameter or finger length and their obvious implications, that's what Homer was talking about.

The Clubshaft is being driven by an On Plane Force (1-L-#10) -- Centrifugal (Swingers) or Muscular (Hitters) -- that is likewise On Plane and (through Impact) directly BEHIND (and in total support of) the Shaft.

[strav]

Grip a straw in your RH index finger (opposite for lefties, of course). Locate it securely in the joint. Regardless of shaft butt diameter or finger length and their obvious implications, that's what Homer was talking about.

The Clubshaft is being driven by an On Plane Force (1-L-#10) -- Centrifugal (Swingers) or Muscular (Hitters) -- that is likewise On Plane and (through Impact) directly BEHIND (and in total support of) the Shaft.

Moving around the shaft from the leading edge of the clubface, at how many degrees of arc is the On Plane Force located?

[bantamben1]

so is the aft of the shaft as outlined in the grip descriotion the back of the shaft or 3 oclock if your looking at the cap of the grip 12 being the side where the clubhead is

[innercityteacher]

Yes. And, Extensor Action should be part of Chapter Six; "Power Package".

The whole darn book should be re-written without changing a single concept or procedure. Color Pictures, Colored Overlays of the Flying Wedges, etc. 600 Pages. 25 bucks. Big deal.

A million Copies will be sold. It would become the standard text book for high school and college. Expanded and including video.

The current Owners can't see further than a Bull in a Cow Barn.

Don't get me started.

The material was gathered from public sources, elite golfers and their descriptions of their successful swings. Work backwards! Do a concise history of TGM and footnote the hell out of it. After each concept's history compare the editions and their presentations with how you would do it.

Don't beat them, commend them and offer a friendly suggestion or two. You have mad skills! Let the big dog eat!

YBGF

[EdZ]

so is the aft of the shaft as outlined in the grip descriotion the back of the shaft or 3 oclock if your looking at the cap of the grip 12 being the side where the clubhead is

the key is 'on plane'

If you were swinging on a horizontal plane like a baseball bat, then 3 o'clock would be 'aft'

but you are swinging on an angled plane, so 'aft' is basically 45 degrees to the horizontal

the flatter the plane angle, the closer to 3 o'clock, the steeper the plane angle, the closer to noon

try the drill bucket mentioned - put the clubface up against a door/impact bag, and focus on supporting down plane towards a spot in front of the ball

This is the reason typical golf instruction talks about the 'v' pointing to the left shoulder - that is the 45 degree 'support' position for the angled plane

If you were going to smack the left hand against something on the horizontal plane (think frisbee throw), you would hit the 'wall' with the back of the hand

If you were going to smack the left hand against something on a vertcal plane (think karate chop in a vertical plane), you would hit the 'table' with the pinky side of the hand

So in a golf motion, you are basically between these two motions, at 45 degrees - and the v's end up to the left shoulder

somewhere deep in the video collection of lynn/ted there is a clip of me showing this at the OCN gathering from 2004

Take a look at Lynn's avatar/grip - that is the ideal IMO

[strav]

•The Force to be applied for the movement of the Lever Assemblies is exerted against the Club through Pressure Points and that will directly or indirectly drive the Club through Impact.
•The "On Plane" Pressure Point Thrust of the Power Accumulators translates their Potential Energy into Clubhead "On Plane" Kinetic Energy always at Right Angles to the Clubshaft.
•However Clubhead Lag (Pressure Points 1, 2 and/or 3) deals exclusively with the Sweet Spot Plane (Not the clubshaft) and is always driven directly into Impact at a Point, normally, on the inside aft quadrant of the Ball.

So we have
1.Kinetic Energy always at right angles to the clubshaft (7-11) and
2.Clubhead Lag always driven directly into Impact on the Sweet Spot Plane.(7-11)

Can you tell me please:
Are Kinetic Energy and Clubhead Lag always in alignment?
How do these two interact when the Clubshaft rotates around the Sweet Spot?
Are the Pressure Points always constant to the Sweet Spot plane?