Getting extensor action
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03-02-2009, 04:25 PM
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Should the "amount" of extensor action be proportional to the "amount" of pivot? (but always with EA slightly less than pivot power...I am not trying to quantify force here...just compare).
By that I mean that an inadequate , underpowered pivot can be overcome by alot of extensor action ... and then the right arm moves the left or...some throwaway begins...and that is less than ideal...
But if you want to have a really strong pivot..you need alot of EA to give sufficient structure to Power Package for the hand guidance system to work and control the pivot?
THese are just thoughts...not tested...thanks for any comments.
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03-04-2009, 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by purehitter
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Extensor action is simple if you use opposing pressures. The right index finger and thumb provide the outward push and the index left finger and thumb provide the inward pull. The opposing pressure of the right index finger and thumb is slightly stronger as you perform the back swing.
For the down swing in swinging the left index finger and thumb pull down plane and the right index finger and thumb push up plane. The left index finger and thumb is slightly stronger as you perform the down swing.
For the down swing in hitting the right index finger and thumb push down plane and the left index finger and thumb push up plane. The thrust from the right arm straightening is added and over powers the up plane push of the left index finger and thumb and provides the hitters release. This action also makes a slow start for the hitter a piece of cake.
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This is a genius way of describing it. I should laminate and take it to the range. I just wish the rain would let up so I can get back out there.
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03-04-2009, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by purehitter
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Extensor action is simple if you use opposing pressures. The right index finger and thumb provide the outward push and the index left finger and thumb provide the inward pull. The opposing pressure of the right index finger and thumb is slightly stronger as you perform the back swing.
For the down swing in swinging the left index finger and thumb pull down plane and the right index finger and thumb push up plane. The left index finger and thumb is slightly stronger as you perform the down swing.
For the down swing in hitting the right index finger and thumb push down plane and the left index finger and thumb push up plane. The thrust from the right arm straightening is added and over powers the up plane push of the left index finger and thumb and provides the hitters release. This action also makes a slow start for the hitter a piece of cake.
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i've tried this during a few weeks, i got some ok results with driver but started to shank irons like a mad man, back to the drawing board i guess!
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03-04-2009, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by purehitter
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Extensor action is simple if you use opposing pressures. The right index finger and thumb provide the outward push and the index left finger and thumb provide the inward pull. The opposing pressure of the right index finger and thumb is slightly stronger as you perform the back swing.
For the down swing in swinging the left index finger and thumb pull down plane and the right index finger and thumb push up plane. The left index finger and thumb is slightly stronger as you perform the down swing.
For the down swing in hitting the right index finger and thumb push down plane and the left index finger and thumb push up plane. The thrust from the right arm straightening is added and over powers the up plane push of the left index finger and thumb and provides the hitters release. This action also makes a slow start for the hitter a piece of cake.
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This is more about grip pressure than Extensor Action and IMO not necessary.
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03-04-2009, 10:04 AM
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12-3 EA Clarification
What is meant if 12-3-0 Section 6 #18 Extensor Action - Waggle and Section 7 #25 Extensor Action - Rhythym? Also why is EA left out of Section 8 - Downstroke. Was this ommission on purpose or a missing element?
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03-04-2009, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by drewitgolf
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This is more about grip pressure than Extensor Action and IMO not necessary.
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Agreed. Not a traditional application of TGM grip pressure points either. Hogan, as an aside, was adamant about the pincer muscles not being engaged, was he not.
ob
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03-04-2009, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BBax
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What is meant if 12-3-0 Section 6 #18 Extensor Action - Waggle and Section 7 #25 Extensor Action - Rhythym? Also why is EA left out of Section 8 - Downstroke. Was this ommission on purpose or a missing element?
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Missing Component #29 Extensor Action was indeed a mis-print. Of the twelve sections of 12-3-0, Extensor Action is in all but three sections and should be used while both performing both the Start Down Waggle and maintaining proper RPM's.
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03-04-2009, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BBax
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What is meant if 12-3-0 Section 6 #18 Extensor Action - Waggle and Section 7 #25 Extensor Action - Rhythym? Also why is EA left out of Section 8 - Downstroke. Was this ommission on purpose or a missing element?
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Hey BBax
Im thinking: (IMO)
-start down waggles with EA turned on
-rhythm in a TGM sense is the holding of the left arm, left wrist and club at the same RPM. EA is most beneficial in this regard as a throwaway deterrent.
-my 6th edition has EA as the first item in Section 8. What edition do you have? Weird. In fact EA is listed in Sections 2, 4/5,6,7,8,9/10/11. It being turned off by the swinger at adjusted address Section 3 and over by the finish Section 12. Although some may argue that Hogan and Tiger seem to still have a nice long (ish) right arm at finish. Ive often wondered about this.....any ideas anyone?
Is this an application of EA at finish?
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=123618090 7
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03-04-2009, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left
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-rhythm in a TGM sense is the holding of the left arm, left wrist and club at the same RPM. EA is most beneficial in this regard as a throwaway deterrent.
-my 6th edition has EA as the first item in Section 8. What edition do you have? Weird. In fact EA is listed in Sections 2, 4/5,6,7,8,9/10/11. It being turned off by the swinger at adjusted address Section 3 and over by the finish Section 12. Although some may argue that Hogan and Tiger seem to still have a nice long (ish) right arm at finish. Ive often wondered about this.....any ideas anyone?
Is this an application of EA at finish?
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Rhythm (roll of the #3 Accumulator) is controlled by the Right Elbow, bending and straightening. So how do we control this Right Elbow that wants to be all over the place? Hope you guessed...by the left arm and the Extensor Action that turns the Left Arm into a leasch. When you control the Right Elbow you control the rate of Clubhead Closing or RPM's (6-B-1-D-3).
Extensor Action was left out of 12-3-0, Section 3, Adjusted Address because to employ to a significant degree will pull you out of a Bent Left Wrist/ Flat Right Wrist Alignment and put you into and Impact Alignment, Flat Left Wrist/Bent Right.
By definition (6-A-4), both arms are not straight until Follow Through (8-11). Assuming your Follow Through isn't your Finish, the Left Arm will now bend and Swivel to the Plane (4-D-0), which means the Left Arm is no longer straight and Extensor Action is no longer employed.
Rob (BBax) is using the 7th edition.
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03-04-2009, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by drewitgolf
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Rhythm (roll of the #3 Accumulator) is controlled by the Right Elbow, bending and straightening. So how do we control this Right Elbow that wants to be all over the place? Hope you guessed...by the left arm and the Extensor Action that turns the Left Arm into a leasch. When you control the Right Elbow you control the rate of Clubhead Closing or RPM's (6-B-1-D-3).
Extensor Action was left out of 12-3-0, Section 3, Adjusted Address because to employ to a significant degree will pull you out of a Bent Left Wrist/ Flat Right Wrist Alignment and put you into and Impact Alignment, Flat Left Wrist/Bent Right.
By definition (6-A-4), both arms are not straight until Follow Through (8-11). Assuming your Follow Through isn't your Finish, the Left Arm will now bend and Swivel to the Plane (4-D-0), which means the Left Arm is no longer straight and Extensor Action is no longer employed.
Rob (BBax) is using the 7th edition.
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Thanks Drewit
Great post. Ive copied it to my TGM file.
ob
PS That right elbow is getting even more important in my perception of things. The right elbow controlling the roll of #3 power accumulator and the right elbow being held in position by extensor action. Fantastic. No more swiveling through impact with a behaving itself right elbow. The right elbow also cocks the left wrist. Didnt Homer say if he had to do over again he'd build his swing around the right elbow? Or something to that effect.
Last edited by O.B.Left : 03-04-2009 at 03:06 PM.
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