Lie Angles

[RickPinewild]

12 piece.
Most clubs can be bent a little, maybe 2 degrees. I have an antique loft and lie machine which makes it hard to bend some clubs. I have always used very soft forged clubs that are easy to bend. Currently KZG cavity backs. Find someone in you area with a Mitchell machine, they can bend anything. Just take your seven iron and bend it about 2* flatter and go practice. You may be surprised. The specs for TA3 seven iron are 36.75" long, 36* loft, 62* lie. They may be different if you've been using them since 1999. They may also be different because tolerances are very loose and quality control is not. Measure your impact position club height and tell me the club length and I will tell you the correct lie. Rick

[EC]

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I know squat about clubfitting, but that made a heck of a lot of sense to me. FANTASTIC!!!!!

May have to make the trip from Tater Town to see you. I have form forged TA3's can they be bent?

Thanks for the info!

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Richard,

Grey has a Mitchell machine and so does my assistant who I trust immensely. In fact he just reshafted my Nike blades with the MCC Apache 115 shafts, changed the lofts and lies, and regripped them to my stringent specs. He did an absolutely marvelous job!

EC

[EdStraker]

I agree with Rick that most irons today have lie angles that are too upright.

Mizuno irons have flatter lie angles than most manufacturers. When I bought the Mizuno Pro II irons back in 2000, my ballstriking improved immediately.

[RickPinewild]

That is correct, Mizuno is consistanly 1* to 3* flatter than most others. I would bet that the vast majority of golfers play with off the shelf clubs and never even consider the possibility that the lie could be causing so many problems.

[Bagger Lance]

I've noticed with high swing speeds, as the clubhead rolls into impact the toe of the clubhead can be bent downward, the amount of downward bend "appears" to be dependent on clubshaft flex characteristics.
I know very little about clubfitting, but curious if this has any effect on lie.

Bagger

[RickPinewild]

Bagger
Yes it does, that is why I said that, "As the club length increases, and assuming the impact fix position remains the same height from the ground, the lie will decrease to 56* for a 38” club length. "At this point you should make some upright adjustment to compensate for the club shaft bowing downwards, this can vary with the flex and can best be determined on an individual basis." The more the clubshaft droops, the more upright you need to adjust the lies.

[Bagger Lance]

Thanks Rick!

Time for new glasses.

Bagger

[Martee]

Rick

I understand Clubhead Droop, but isn't it true that the current day shaft, at least to hear the manufactures talk, have all but eliminated most of this?

Also isn't it true for Hitters, clubhead droop is smaller than for swingers?

In addition what consideration is given to hitting the ball and having separation prior to the club coming into contact with the ground? This seems to increase the lattidute of clubhead lie range that would be acceptable.

I don't see how kickpoint comes into the forumla for Lie Angle and haven't really seen anything by top clubmakers (though I have only read and studied a few) consider this to be part of the Lie Angle. Can you address this?

Thanks

[brianmanzella]

If you eliminate droop, throw the Golfing Machine out with it!!!!


Yikes!!


Droop IS the sweetspot plane!!!

[Martee]

If you eliminate droop, throw the Golfing Machine out with it!!!!


Yikes!!


Droop IS the sweetspot plane!!!

I don't think so..

UST, GAT, Tom Wishon all are advocating that the design of the shaft couple with it's orientation can reduce 'clubbhead droop'. Can they eliminate it, probably not, so poor word choice upon my part, but they can minimize it.

Explain you statement Brian and how it covered in TGM? (Droop is the sweetspot plane? What happen to longitudal center of gravity of the golf club?)