Ted Fort's Hitting Stroke -- Pitching Wedge (Down The Line)

[davel]

I s Ted using a strong left hand grip?

Dave

[tincup2004]

I s Ted using a strong left hand grip?

Dave

From another post in the Emergency Room - Hitters section (thread title is Max hitting distances I think) :

Would you identify your component variations for component #1 through #9?



Sure...
1. 10-1-A, Overlapping
2. 10-2-B, Strong single action
3. 10-3-A, Punch
4. 10-4-D, Four Barrel
5. 10-5-B, Square-Open
6. 10-6-B, Turned Shoulder
7. 10-7-A, Zero or No Shift
8. 10-8-B, Special
9. 10-9-B, Impact

[YodasLuke]

Originally Posted by davel

I s Ted using a strong left hand grip? Dave

From another post in the Emergency Room - Hitters section (thread title is Max hitting distances I think) :

Originally Posted by YodasLuke

Would you identify your component variations for component #1 through #9? Sure... 1. 10-1-A, Overlapping 2. 10-2-B, Strong single action 3. 10-3-A, Punch 4. 10-4-D, Four Barrel 5. 10-5-B, Square-Open 6. 10-6-B, Turned Shoulder 7. 10-7-A, Zero or No Shift 8. 10-8-B, Special 9. 10-9-B, Impact

When I practice, there are times that my left hand will revert to my original turned position. If and when the left hand gets turned and I want to leave it that way, I simply focus on keeping the left arm flying wedge in tact. In other words, the more turned the left hand becomes, it equates to a left wrist bend at the top. This is reason for quotation marks around "flat" when he describes the "flat" left wrist as an imperative. It should be a flat left wrist or it's equivalent. When you truly understand the orientation of the flying wedges, this puzzle starts coming together. 10-2-B is the suggested grip for both hitting and swinging. If you vary, you simply need to know the implications. Once you master a pattern, changing a component is possible without the stroke going to hades in a handbasket.

[golfchicago]

I saw this video this morning and shuttered at the closed club position during the backswing and I thought what am I getting myself into here. Today i met with a member on this site who explained some hitting concepts and i swung with this same concept of a shut face and I hit the ball great. Thus starts my journey!( I had to come back and edit my post twice due to bad spelling. I guess I'm so excited about this change, I'm not concentrating on the keyboard!)

[Daryti]

Ted, you said you are using a square/open line and we also talk about using 10-5-E (closed/closed) for hitting. I know you can use any, it is an option but as we are all learning, is there any main characters that one suits one better? For example, body type; unable to make a hip slide to the right; big shoulder etc...

[Daryti]

Any comments? Sometimes just don't understand why there is no feedback on some threads.

[phillygolf]

Eddie,

For the Hitter using the Angle of Approach procedure, the 'old' Plane Angle with its Straight Line Baseline is gone. It served its purpose by locating the Stroke's Impact Point and Low Point. Through these two points passes its derivative -- the Straight Line Angle of Approach Delivery Line. This Visual Equivalent thus determined, the original Plane ceases to exist (2-J-3).

The Hitter with his Clubhead now Covers -- not Traces or 'points at' -- this new Delivery Line. And whatever Inclined Plane the Sweetspot must utilize to make this journey is now the Inclined Plane of the Stroke.

Whoa.....!!!Holy crap....

That is some deep dep stuff!

[phillygolf]

[quote=EC][quote="Yoda"]

Yoda,

The "New" inclined plane still has a straight baseline doesn't it? And, wouldn't the low end of the club either point at or cover it, or the clubshaft would be parallel to it? I'm just trying to reconcile in my mind the geometry of having the clubshaft on plane. Not to pick on Ted (I LOVE his motion), but I was originally asking that if we looked at each of the still positions of his video, aren't there times when the club is off plane by definition? Quite frankly, I think that impact is where it's at, but I spend a lot of time with students working on plane, and I do not want to misinform any of them, ever.]

Congrats to you, Bagger, and Trigolt...this site is a wonderful experience!

EC

I see EC's point....

Eddie,

For the Hitter using the Angle of Approach procedure, the 'old' Plane Angle with its Straight Line Baseline is gone. It served its purpose by locating the Stroke's Impact Point and Low Point. Through these two points passes its derivative -- the Straight Line Angle of Approach Delivery Line. This Visual Equivalent thus determined, the original Plane ceases to exist (2-J-3).

The Hitter with his Clubhead now Covers -- not Traces or 'points at' -- this new Delivery Line. And whatever Inclined Plane the Sweetspot must utilize to make this journey is now the Inclined Plane of the Stroke.

Lynn,
EC has a good point...

Are you saying that, once the original planeline is established...it ceases to exist for the Hitter and the 'new' delivery line???

Confused!!!

Thanks,
Patrick

[tongzilla]

This is an area of confusion I also have to sort out.

Lets see if I can put this clearly.

For the Hitter using Angle of Approach procedure, the Angle of Approach effectively becomes the new Plane Line. Every stroke has to have a straight Plain Line, and for the Hitter, this has now become Angle of Approach. Just look at 10-5-E. That is exactly what I mean. How Closed your new Plain Line is depends how far your ball is behind Low Point.

Now, when you're making a golf stroke on an Inclined Plane, you are, by default, also tracing its Plane Line (whether that Plane Line is the basic geometric plane line of the Angle of Approach). See photo in 10-5-E.

So I would say that although the Hitter sees the Clubhead visually (it's not actually covering- because the Plane would have to be vertical for that to happen!) covering his new Plane Line (the Angle of Approach), he is actually Tracing is also.
Just look at 10-5-E.
How can she be swinging on that Inclined plane and not trace or point at this Angle of Approach? Impossible! This contradicts what Yoda was saying - that the Hitter does not Trace this new Delivery Line, but just covers it. However, I believe Yoda was trying to make a different point...but I just don't know what it is.

[phillygolf]

For the Hitter using Angle of Approach procedure, the Angle of Approach effectively becomes the new Plane Line. Every stroke has to have a straight Plain Line, and for the Hitter, this has now become Angle of Approach. Just look at 10-5-E. That is exactly what I mean. How Closed your new Plain Line is depends how far your ball is behind Low Point.

Agreed my friend!!!

Now, when you're making a golf stroke on an Inclined Plane, you are, by default, also tracing its Plane Line (whether that Plane Line is the basic geometric plane line of the Angle of Approach). See photo in 10-5-E.

Keep in mind...its the 'new' plane....thats whats confused me...the original is still intact, no? Arbitrarily....

So I would say that although the Hitter sees the Clubhead visually (it's not actually covering- because the Plane would have to be vertical for that to happen!) covering his new Plane Line (the Angle of Approach), he is actually Tracing is also.

Close...

How can you see the angle of approach if you arent in a position to see it? Does the clubhead cover it???



Just look at 10-5-E.
How can she be swinging on that Inclined plane and not trace or point at this Angle of Approach? Impossible! This contradicts what Yoda was saying - that the Hitter does not Trace this new Delivery Line, but just covers it. However, I believe Yoda was trying to make a different point...but I just don't know what it is.[/quote]

Hmm...not sure...I think, in the angle of approach procedure...the hitter still traces the original planeline....which confuses the hel outta me!!!!!!!!!!!