Mac O'Grady and TGM

[bew69]

Just an observation...

When I, Brian Manzella, The Itallian Stallion, says I like a straight leg SOMETIMES, I get jumped by the peanut gallery.

If Mac says it, is AOK.

If Ben says it too, it is AOK.

Or course if ONLY Me and Ben say it, again the peanut gallery attacks.

no?

I'm a fan of yours Brian, but with all due respect I think Mac has been attacked more than you and Ben will be in your entire combined lifetimes.

Bruce

[Theodan]

I hope that all the leaders of the House of TGM hold the "sameness" that ..."If nobody is yelling and throwing rocks at you, you are not making a difference."

[brianmanzella]

I have been banned from 4 web forums, does Mac visit web forums?

I will post an audio commentary to this Mac thread and all things MORAD tonight on my site.

I'll link it here.

[6bmike]

Just an observation...

When I, Brian Manzella, The Itallian Stallion, says I like a straight leg SOMETIMES, I get jumped by the peanut gallery.

If Mac says it, is AOK.

If Ben says it too, it is AOK.

Or course if ONLY Me and Ben say it, again the peanut gallery attacks.

no?

Brian,

This is not GFI, GEA, GO, not even Chuck's and I know that unlike other joints, Lynn runs his forum with a high standard of respect. I don’t think anyone on this forum, even those that cross post, feels any disrespect toward you. Continue to teach The Golfing Machine to us the way you want to teach it. It is what we expect and want.

Carry on Doc.

Happy St Patty's Day- I see we are always in green. Pints of Guinness on me til closing. Drink up Lads.

[Yoda]

I hope that all the leaders of the House of TGM hold the "sameness" that ..."If nobody is yelling and throwing rocks at you, you are not making a difference."

Thanks for your wisdom and 'cattle prod,' Theodan.

I don't know about the House of TGM, but Bagger and Trig and I are prepared to operate in the 'hunkered down' mode!

Moooo!

[Anonymous]

Good One Yoda.....always good to have some comic relief....

DG

[lagster]

The difference is 'counter fall' - a reverse pivot moves 'center', a 'counter fall' keeps center stable - Similar to Austin's view of the hips/tailbone swinging, with the head/center being stable.

A right anchor keeps the tailbone still (bottom of spine), standard knee keeps the head still (top of spine).

Either the 'top swings' or the 'bottom swings'. (keep the hips level - right anchor, or allow the hips to tilt - standard knee action, right leg straightens)

Hitter's IMO should use standard action because it really, really helps the crossline hip motion.

Despite what is being taught as Austin's approach now (which isn't what I think he really did), I have really grown to appreciate his swing and theories more and more - especially his hip motion.

Ed... Are you talking about COUNTERFALL as in Mr. David Lee's definition of counterfall( a slight backwards fall into the left heel that allows the body to rotate without trying... on the downswing) or are you speaking of something else? He believes there must be a COUNTERFALL to offset the OUTWARD PULL and WEIGHT of the arms. His procedure would probably be considered a PURE SWING.

[peppers]

how good is ogrady?
i remember watching McGleno get driver airborne off the cement of Motor Ave. in LA. The bottom of the club most lightly scratched. That's shallow steepness - something to see.
i remember there was a pole located about 240 yds down the left side of the rancho park driving range From the right side of the range he'd fire a variety of shots with his strong 4 wood - persimmon- and hit the pole. He would take on bettors - i can hit 1/10, 2/10 etc.
He is a good soul who spent many a night at the golf course, as he had no real family home. If he lucked out, a friend would invite him to spend the night. I have a healthy respect for McGleno - because I know just a bit about the arduous route his life has taken.
Yep, I will always have some deep respect for McGleno.

sandog

[EdZ]

Originally Posted by EdZ

The difference is 'counter fall' - a reverse pivot moves 'center', a 'counter fall' keeps center stable - Similar to Austin's view of the hips/tailbone swinging, with the head/center being stable. A right anchor keeps the tailbone still (bottom of spine), standard knee keeps the head still (top of spine). Either the 'top swings' or the 'bottom swings'. (keep the hips level - right anchor, or allow the hips to tilt - standard knee action, right leg straightens) Hitter's IMO should use standard action because it really, really helps the crossline hip motion. Despite what is being taught as Austin's approach now (which isn't what I think he really did), I have really grown to appreciate his swing and theories more and more - especially his hip motion.

Ed... Are you talking about COUNTERFALL as in Mr. David Lee's definition of counterfall( a slight backwards fall into the left heel that allows the body to rotate without trying... on the downswing) or are you speaking of something else? He believes there must be a COUNTERFALL to offset the OUTWARD PULL and WEIGHT of the arms. His procedure would probably be considered a PURE SWING.

I'm not familiar with Lee's definition. As for my view, Hogan did this well, more of a 'breaking down a door with your left shoulder' move, if that makes sense, perhaps what you described as Lee's view to a small extent.

The inability to 'stop' at the top/transition on your right leg because you are falling back onto your left.

[lagster]

Originally Posted by lagster

Originally Posted by EdZ The difference is 'counter fall' - a reverse pivot moves 'center', a 'counter fall' keeps center stable - Similar to Austin's view of the hips/tailbone swinging, with the head/center being stable. A right anchor keeps the tailbone still (bottom of spine), standard knee keeps the head still (top of spine). Either the 'top swings' or the 'bottom swings'. (keep the hips level - right anchor, or allow the hips to tilt - standard knee action, right leg straightens) Hitter's IMO should use standard action because it really, really helps the crossline hip motion. Despite what is being taught as Austin's approach now (which isn't what I think he really did), I have really grown to appreciate his swing and theories more and more - especially his hip motion. Ed... Are you talking about COUNTERFALL as in Mr. David Lee's definition of counterfall( a slight backwards fall into the left heel that allows the body to rotate without trying... on the downswing) or are you speaking of something else? He believes there must be a COUNTERFALL to offset the OUTWARD PULL and WEIGHT of the arms. His procedure would probably be considered a PURE SWING.

I'm not familiar with Lee's definition. As for my view, Hogan did this well, more of a 'breaking down a door with your left shoulder' move, if that makes sense, perhaps what you described as Lee's view to a small extent.

The inability to 'stop' at the top/transition on your right leg because you are falling back onto your left.

Ed,

Yes... this type of thing can be seen easily in guys like Jack Nicklaus, Trevino, Hogan, Player, Couples, Els... i.e., the "fall back on to the left."

The backwards fall part is nearly invisable, but Lee says it is in there. Especially in the very smooooth... what he calls Gravity players. In TGM language... these smoooth guys would probably be variations of True Centrifugal Force Swingers.