"The Secret"
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07-02-2007, 03:29 AM
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Thanks for fixing the link. Homer gave all of hmself in whatever he did. Much of my association with Homer was "trying to learn, but not pushing the issues, since I had many conflicting issues." However, he never took any of this as personal. He was a true gentleman who lifted the analysis of the golf stroke to new levels. It is up to you and others as students to add to that legacy!
I had played golf about 25 years before I found TGM which I erroniously thought the plane? was the holy grail. It is not!!! If anything, it is the blending/control of the/a-plane concept and the continual arcing (down/out/forward) of the clubhead arc, the clubface re-rotation arc(s) closing and de-lofting plus horizontal considerations. Three dimentional space and motion is golf's reality as is the timing of thereof???
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07-02-2007, 03:36 AM
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The fulcrum and force
Originally Posted by drewitgolf
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As far as I can tell only the Right Arm and Shoulder are in a position to Push.
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In hitting, the left hand is the "fulcrum", whereas the right is the "force" (and the club is the "weight")- class III Lever, in which the "fulcrum" needs to be pushed against (as well) in order for the "force" to be applied.
In hitting, the right hand can be the "fulcrum", whereas the left be the "force" (and the club is the "weight")- class I Lever, in which the "fulcrum (the right hand)" needs to be pushed against (as well) in order for the "force (the left hand)" to be applied.
In either case, the left hand/side needs to "push" (while being pulled/draged by the pivot).
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Yani Tseng Did It Again!
YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the " LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain ( Yang/陽) the lag ( Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" ( 陰陽合一).
The " LAW" creates the " effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the " cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
" Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
Think as a golfer, execute like a robot.
Rotate, twist, spin, turn.
Bend the shaft.
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07-02-2007, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bts
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In hitting, the right hand can be the "fulcrum", whereas the left be the "force" (and the club is the "weight")-class I Lever, in which the "fulcrum (the right hand)" needs to be pushed against (as well) in order for the "force (the left hand)" to be applied.
In either case, the left hand/side needs to "push" (while being pulled/draged by the pivot).
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I can't even visualize this for hitting unless we are talking about a left handed golfer.
First - Only a form III lever is used in the golf stroke. Look at a form 1 lever (2-L) and tell me how this is done. Also take a look at 6-A-2 for further clarification.
Second - Only the right arm is in a position to push.
Finally - The left side contribution to muscle power is so minimal, it isn't even considered in the power package and even pivot power isn't necessary for hitting. There is no "left hand" force in hitting.
I know you are trying to enlighten us BTS, but like 6B mentioned: "There is a lot of seems as if in this thread".
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07-02-2007, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by bts
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In hitting, the left hand is the "fulcrum", whereas the right is the "force" (and the club is the "weight")-class III Lever, in which the "fulcrum" needs to be pushed against (as well) in order for the "force" to be applied.
In hitting, the right hand can be the "fulcrum", whereas the left be the "force" (and the club is the "weight")-class I Lever, in which the "fulcrum (the right hand)" needs to be pushed against (as well) in order for the "force (the left hand)" to be applied.
In either case, the left hand/side needs to "push" (while being pulled/draged by the pivot).
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In Hitting, we are accelerating the Primary Lever Assembly which has a Form III lever with the Fulcrum at the Left Shoulder, not the left hand. When the Fulcrum is in the Left Wrist the Weight is now in the Clubhead an additiional Form III lever used normally in Swinging; accelerating the Secondary Lever Assembly. Reference 2-L, 6-A-2, and 6-A-3 and let me know how your application fits into TGM.
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07-02-2007, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by xyzgolfAZ
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If anything, it is the blending/control of the/a-plane concept and the continual arcing (down/out/forward) of the clubhead arc, the clubface re-rotation arc(s) closing and de-lofting plus horizontal considerations. Three dimentional space and motion is golf's reality as is the timing of thereof???
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There is a whole lot of the secret of golf in those two sentences. Ben wouldn't let you get away without mentioning accumulator/clubhead lag though.
Oh...and that "5-Barrel" move is a swing.
For those members who don't know...Jay Perkins aka xyzgolfAZ received his GSEM directly from Homer in 1981 and we are honored to have him contribute here.
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07-02-2007, 01:48 PM
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Fifth Barrel
Would you define the fifth barrel?
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07-02-2007, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Hennybogan
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Would you define the fifth barrel?
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It's the power accumulator between your ears seeking it's inline condition.
I never use it.
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07-02-2007, 03:44 PM
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5th Barrel........
Yikes!
Not another barrel to contend with!
Wait till the Bucket gets ahold of this........
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07-02-2007, 06:29 PM
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If you noticed B. Bozac bounces his club shaft off his back. This is PP#5. Not many can do that, but John Daly comes close. But John does use eccentric contraction on his left wrist.
See this attached URL:
Last edited by xyzgolfAZ : 07-02-2007 at 10:34 PM.
Reason: wrong spelling
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07-02-2007, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by xyzgolfAZ
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If you noticed B. Bozac bounces his club shaft of his back. This is PP#5.
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PP #5 looks very compatible with a sweep release! The sequence is 5,4,1,2,3.
How does he do that with no hip action!!!
And that stationary tripod is very, dare I say...textbook.
Very cool video. 
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