What Component is Most Responsible for FORWARD?

[Delaware Golf]

Forward is a resultant force from a downward and outward motion in the golf swing. Right Forearm downward....at release, the rotational action of the hips throw the shoulders outward. So the motion the swinger or hitter needs to think about at the beginning of the downswing is a downward motion of the right forearm...any thought of going outward at the the beginning of the downstroke will cause an over the top move...an off-plane move.

See 2-N-1 the Forward Force Vector of the Clubhead (7-23)is a resultant force.

The primary downward force vector is produced by straightening the right elbow. Hmmm exactly the way Tom Tomasello taught TGM. Right out of the 7th edition.

DG

[12 piece bucket]

OUT is "where you're facing" as you swing. Down is into the ground. Forward is towards the target. The three dimensions. I could, theoretically, move the clubhead DOWN and OUT only. The clubhead would move perpendicular to the plane line. Now how hard would that be to do in the real world?

Really hard. Which is why you're going to move the club forward whether you think about it...or whether you don't!

Martee - I agree that the concept of three dimensions is absolutely integral to understanding the golf stroke. The vast majority of the Golfing World doesn't understand it, never will, and doesn't care. We know about it and are cognizant of it (either consciously or subconsciously) every time we make a stroke. That said, I think that once the concept is developed within the Computer we can then omit the "forward" component from our conscious thought.

I don't know if there is a component that is most responsible for "forward." I believe, as I've discussed, that it's more a factor within the geometry of the circle. It's a geometry issue, not a physics issue. Sure, physics is what explains the forces that propel the "forward" dimension, but geometry is what sets it up to begin with. Without the correct geometric structure we will have no "forward."

Very nice!

[12 piece bucket]

Forward is a resultant force from a downward and outward motion in the golf swing. Right Forearm downward....at release, the rotational action of the hips throw the shoulders outward. So the motion the swinger or hitter needs to think about at the beginning of the downswing is a downward motion of the right forearm...any thought of going outward at the the beginning of the downstroke will cause an over the top move...an off-plane move.

See 2-N-1 the Forward Force Vector of the Clubhead (7-23)is a resultant force.

The primary downward force vector is produced by straightening the right elbow. Hmmm exactly the way Tom Tomasello taught TGM. Right out of the 7th edition.

DG

Yes sir! Another VERY INTERESTING change to 2-N-1 is that AXIS TILT is NO LONGER responsible for Downward Motion as in the 6th . . . but it is . . .

Responsible for ON-PLANE MOTION. Wonder what made him have this revelation?

[rogerdodger]

What causes the club to go to the left after impact? In other words, when I swing down and out, the forward takes care of the forward because it has no where else to go. But, what happens when the club goes too far out ? For someone underplane and too inside out, how do we get the club to move forward and around after passing the left shoulder? or do we want that at all?

[12 piece bucket]

What causes the club to go to the left after impact? In other words, when I swing down and out, the forward takes care of the forward because it has no where else to go. But, what happens when the club goes too far out ? For someone underplane and too inside out, how do we get the club to move forward and around after passing the left shoulder? or do we want that at all?

You don't if you are using the 10-5-E plane line . . . but if you are using the Geometric Plane Line and you are too far out you are OFF PLANE. The solution is Tracing and look look look until you can see what On-Plane look like. Then translate that into a feel.

[rogerdodger]

Thanks for the great reply Mr. Bucket.

[lagster]

Trying to swing the CLUBHEAD FORWARD, or swing your HANDS FORWARD as your primary emphasis can cause big problems... one of the main ones being THROWAWAY. Take the HANDS DOWN PLANE...no STEERING.

Tom Tomasello said Forward is "Resultant."

[rwh]

What Component is Most Responsible for FORWARD [and] should you ever think about FORWARD?

Bucket, you are definitely into some serious smoke. I'm down for a dime.

Do we not have a clubhead that travels in an arc? Things moving in an arc only go clockwise or anti-clockwise. There is no forward or backward. And there is no inward or outward, at least not from the standpoint of the orbiting object. It's just going around and around. (I know you took those girls on the Tilt-A-Whirl at the carnival).

The swing arc of the clubhead is essentially the same whether you are performing it on the horizontal (torso vertical) or on an inclined plane (front of torso bent down toward the ground).

Arguably, thinking (conceptually) of anything other than swinging the clubhead in an arc is disruptive.

[Sonic_Doom]

Bucket, you are definitely into some serious smoke. I'm down for a dime.

Do we not have a clubhead that travels in an arc? Things moving in an arc only go clockwise or anti-clockwise. There is no forward or backward. And there is no inward or outward, at least not from the standpoint of the orbiting object. It's just going around and around. (I know you took those girls on the Tilt-A-Whirl at the carnival).

The swing arc of the clubhead is essentially the same whether you are performing it on the horizontal (torso vertical) or on an inclined plane (front of torso bent down toward the ground).

Arguably, thinking (conceptually) of anything other than swinging the clubhead in an arc is disruptive.

You nailed it, IMO.

Could one compononent be responsible for all three impact dimensions? i.e. the PIVOT moves the club clockwise/counter-clockwise on the inclined plane and the ball is positioned accordingly on that plane.

Blue skying,,,

[12 piece bucket]

Bucket, you are definitely into some serious smoke. I'm down for a dime.

Do we not have a clubhead that travels in an arc? Things moving in an arc only go clockwise or anti-clockwise. There is no forward or backward. And there is no inward or outward, at least not from the standpoint of the orbiting object. It's just going around and around. (I know you took those girls on the Tilt-A-Whirl at the carnival).

The swing arc of the clubhead is essentially the same whether you are performing it on the horizontal (torso vertical) or on an inclined plane (front of torso bent down toward the ground).

Arguably, thinking (conceptually) of anything other than swinging the clubhead in an arc is disruptive.

Super post!