Mathews stroke sequence....

[Mathew]

My off the wall tip - to try for Matthew - if not real at least perceived would be to start at address with hands facing each other- then at the top with the left wrist slight cupped feeling- and looking- have the right wrist at 90 degrees (perpendicular) to the left wrist. Before anyone freaks out- that's a lesson tee thought- experiment- application- etc. and a possible X classification. You can actually twist the hands on the grip enough to accomplish that.

Are you describing changing the 10-2-B grip into the C variation whilst preforming the standard wrist action?

Is this the rotating lag pressure point as mentioned in 10-11-0-3?

[12 piece bucket]

There is state legislation in process to build the fence so that won't happen

Fight the power.

[Mike O]

Are you describing changing the 10-2-B grip into the C variation whilst preforming the standard wrist action? Yes, but I'm not concerned if you're performing standard wrist action or not.

Is this the rotating lag pressure point as mentioned in 10-11-0-3? No, that's different- yes similar but not the same thing. Similar in that you'd load on top and but different in that going from 10-2-B to the C variation- you're actually moving something and then back to 10-2-B during release. Keep in mind that I was just saying that experiment might help you get closer to understanding some of the concepts in this discussion

Mathew, I put my response to your question in the quote above- Hope that helps. Review my responses to your sequence- I'm saying you've got to support the load better - which changes the hand and arm locations but also requires/mandates and causes a larger (shoulder) turn. Again, I'm just free wheeling some teaching ideas here- so would be easy to shoot down any particular idea/theory that I've brought up. I'm just throwing out my feedback for you to take it or leave it- no big deal. In that regard- Lynn has a very good golf swing- take a look at the photo of him next to Hogan for the Driver- then look at the same frame of your sequence- does it look like his back is facing the target more than yours (I know you've got an iron - not the same- but that's what I'm seeing...) Then look at Lynn's video of him hitting a 6-iron- see how his triangle doesn't collapse in on the shoulder line (sure different camera angle etc)- the short side is longer than your short side because he's loading the club properly.

[Mike O]

Fight the power.

Actually let me know when you fire up the 1972 Ford Pinto- and I'll fire up the Barbecue for you- with a big juicy steak!

[12 piece bucket]

Actually let me know when you fire up the 1972 Ford Pinto- and I'll fire up the Barbecue for you- with a big juicy steak!

Yeaaaaaaaah baby! Fat people LOVE steak!

[jim_0068]

Jim,

What mechanical recommendation would you make to Mathew in order to fix the backswing plane? I have struggled on and off with the same problem. I can at times fix it without a ball and then it comes back when I get to the range.

Matt

Use more of a lagging clubhead type takeaway and introduce a little float loading. By using a little more of a lagging clubhead takeaway you naturally introduce 2 things:

1) a less open (turned) lead forearm which puts the clubface in a less open position so when you bend that right arm it goes more UP the plane instead of INSIDE the plane

2) it naturally produces a little snap/float type procedure which can introduce very nice rythym and tempo when done correctly.

[Weightshift]

So what you guys think I should do to make it better

Just my own thoughts here. Frames 1..4 show your backswing, while 5..12 are downswing. Pros on the other hand, spend twice as much time on their backswings as they do on their downswings. take a look at http://members.aol.com/annika1980/freddie.wmv for example.

[Weightshift]

Typo: 1..5 on backswing, 6..12 on downswing

[tongzilla]

http://members.aol.com/annika1980/freddie.wmv

Sorry for hijacking this thread, but look at the clubface of Freddie in that clip at Impact (front view)! Can someone explain what's going on there?

[Sonic_Doom]

Just my own thoughts here. Frames 1..4 show your backswing, while 5..12 are downswing. Pros on the other hand, spend twice as much time on their backswings as they do on their downswings. take a look at http://members.aol.com/annika1980/freddie.wmv for example.

Ratio is typically 3:1 for pros. Matthew could confirm but I'm pretty sure we're only seeing the frames he thought relevant for analysis, not the other 15-18 frames that regular video can capture in a swing sequence (aprox. 30 frames per second)

I also noticed the clubface orientation that Tongzilla did. It appears to be wide open and laid well back. I kind of thought that this type of reaction was pretty typical even on centre face hits due to the relative softness of the graphite shaft.

I could watch that action all day long.

CW