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05-10-2006, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike O
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"How about a little fly-casting image for Drag Loading the Secondary Lever???"
Bucket,
Right on! I just woke up and thought to myself- you know maybe I should also clarify that you need to "swing" the clubshaft independently- drag loading- for the swinger and in contrast for hitting make sure that you "carry- back" the primary lever assembly as one unit- because if you are not making that distinction- and say when hitting you are getting independent motion of the clubshaft- then you'll be loading it like a swinger and you're not really going to be doing it properly and you won't notice the difference (that is the right forearm "precisely in-line" 7-3 Section")- so that's an important part of the equation.
Regarding angle and arc of approach "procedures"- in this context- it'll be one of the few times when someone asks a honest question that I'll not try to answer it. Just not worth it- theoretically, the swinger could use angle of approach- but in reality - for me- on a real practical level- I just can't see it- and I think it would put you in a mental ward if you tried it- but Mr. Kelley would say something like- using my words- "Hey, you never know - someone might have a pattern or preference for such a movement - and if so - have at it- just realize the compensations - if any- that need to be kept in mind. Sooo Bucket- Let's move on (But nice try!! )
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Suffice to say, the swinger using angle of approach is in 'effect' rotating the plane line, but is compensating via power package 'support' that is now out of alignment. Less than ideal for a number of reasons.
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05-10-2006, 02:37 PM
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For those about to rock . . . .
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Originally Posted by EdZ
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Suffice to say, the swinger using angle of approach is in 'effect' rotating the plane line, but is compensating via power package 'support' that is now out of alignment. Less than ideal for a number of reasons.
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I don't get it though. If the Angle of Approach is defined as the line from Impact Point to Low Point . . . what's the big deal it's all on the Plane? Plus in the 4th Edition Mr. K said it was a Swinger/Drag Loader's procedure (of course he changed it). And then there's the quote about Thrust being Cross-Line.
Back to Rocking in the Corner . . .
HEY CHECK OUT THIS PICTURE OF MIKE O . . .

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05-10-2006, 04:12 PM
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Angle of Approach is associated with Hitting, even if the Hitter is not using the Angle of Approach Delivery Line. Notice how with Right Arm Thrust, the Clubhead travels more in a straight line on the same Inclined Plane (Square, not Closed). This contrasts with the Swinger's Arc of Approach (not necessarily Delivery Line) where the Clubhead travels in a more circular fashion.
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05-10-2006, 05:21 PM
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Slight Bend
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Originally Posted by Daryl
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Yes mike. That's the missing piece. To Cock On Plane and have the loading action directly in-line with the right forearm and keep the wedges aligned. When that happens, I have lots of lag. Since I have lots of lag and the club gets Driven Downward, I think that I must be doing it correctly. The right forearm and clubshaft are definitely on the same plane from Release to Follow Through. And, and this is very insightful, the lag pressure wants a straight line delivery path. (now comes the bad) In order to comply with these three alignments, I have a slight visual bend in my left wrist at the End position. Is this Ok? It returns to flat during On Plane #3 release roll before impact. But, is this a compensation?
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The "SLIGHT BEND" may actually be FLAT, or it could be DOUBLE WRIST COCK. If your RIGHT hand is where it's supposed to be at the END, it sounds OK to me. Either way, if the LEFT WRIST gets into a good FLAT impact position, it's OK.
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