advantages/disadvantages of being a full roll hitter? EDITED

[MizunoJoe]

For those who are overly concerned about Hitting with a Horizontal Hinge, here are Homer's own words from 10-19-0.

"Hinge Action does NOT differentiate Hitting and Swinging. All are interchangeable wih reservations. Hitters using Horizontal Hinging must consciously resist the tendency of Right Arm Paddlewheel Action toward Angled Hinging. Swingingers using Angled Hinging must consciously resist the tendency of Centrifugal Force toward Horizontal Hinging. Both procedures require skill in Clubface manipulation per 7-2."

I, for one, am able to resist Angled Hinging in a Hitting Stroke, and have the skill to manipulate the Clubface.

[YodasLuke]

For those who are overly concerned about Hitting with a Horizontal Hinge, here are Homer's own words from 10-19-0.

"Hinge Action does NOT differentiate Hitting and Swinging. All are interchangeable with reservations. Hitters using Horizontal Hinging must consciously resist the tendency of Right Arm Paddlewheel Action toward Angled Hinging. Swingingers using Angled Hinging must consciously resist the tendency of Centrifugal Force toward Horizontal Hinging. Both procedures require skill in Clubface manipulation per 7-2."

I, for one, am able to resist Angled Hinging in a Hitting Stroke, and have the skill to manipulate the Clubface.

I LOVE THIS SITE...
Anyone can resist something that will happen naturally if they'd like to add an additional piece to the equation.

[6bmike]

Luke, on the Martee cd you used the term “hitter with gyroscopic tendencies.” Certainly a mix match of components. Can you explain? I think that much of today’s golf instruction wrongly teaches just that- a hitter’s stroke with a big roll or horizontal hinge.

[MizunoJoe]

If an Angle Hinge Hitter wishes to draw the ball, he ALSO has to add another piece to the equation - exactly how far back in the stance to play the ball for a specific amount of draw. Or he can guess at exactly how much to close the blade and the stance to pull hook the ball back on target - that's TWO more pieces for the ole equation.

[YodasLuke]

If an Angle Hinge Hitter wishes to draw the ball, he ALSO has to add another piece to the equation - exactly how far back in the stance to play the ball for a specific amount of draw. Or he can guess at exactly how much to close the blade and the stance to pull hook the ball back on target - that's TWO more pieces for the ole equation.

I prefer to nuke it down the middle. If I must turn it left, I can. Why would you want to hook it all of the time??

[YodasLuke]

Luke, on the Martee cd you used the term “hitter with gyroscopic tendencies.” Certainly a mix match of components. Can you explain? I think that much of today’s golf instruction wrongly teaches just that- a hitter’s stroke with a big roll or horizontal hinge.

I was referring mainly to the tendency to try to turn the body to generate force, instead of using muscular thrust (right arm only.)

[MizunoJoe]

YL wrote, "Why would you want to hook it all of the time??"

Where did I say or imply that?

[YodasLuke]

YL wrote, "Why would you want to hook it all of the time??"

Where did I say or imply that?

A draw is simple enough if the clubface is closed in the grip, and the machine is adjusted to the right. The plane stays in tact compared to the body. The clubface remains square, if you will, to the target, but the body is aligned to the right. This would impart a hook spin, without changing the plane to body or grip to body.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THIS PROCEDURE IS:
These adjustments are made PRIOR to the swing as address alignments. This is not something to be done DURING impact as in horizontal hinging. It's always easier to make a provision in the address alignments than trying to fight the natural tendency of angled hinging during impact, under the heat of competition.

Precision is much easier if you have all day to check it (at address) instead of .0125 seconds to check it (at impact).

[MizunoJoe]

"A draw is simple enough if the clubface is closed in the grip, and the machine is adjusted to the right."

You can't draw the ball with a closed clubface, which can only contact the outside of the ball. You are describing a pull hook with respect to the adjusted machine. The "prior" aspect of this procedure does not insure it's "precision". I can Horizontally Hinge more precisely than "guesstimate" how much to close both the clubface and stance.

[YodasLuke]

"A draw is simple enough if the clubface is closed in the grip, and the machine is adjusted to the right."

You can't draw the ball with a closed clubface, which can only contact the outside of the ball. You are describing a pull hook with respect to the adjusted machine. The "prior" aspect of this procedure does not insure it's "precision". I can Horizontally Hinge more precisely than "guesstimate" how much to close both the clubface and stance.

Sure you can...(infinite doubt inserted here)

If you had read the previous post, you would have seen that the clubface was square to the target, not closed to it. The clubface is closed to the grip but not to the target. Additionally, the club would have to be swung off plane to hit the outside quadrant of the ball with the machine aligned to the right. With this body line, the inside quadrant is the only part of the ball that could possibly be struck, for those of us that don't like plane shifts.