Physics

[MizunoJoe]

There's a reason why most tour players still insist on steel spikes, and it isn't because they have "top down" swings! Of course, you can do that and, like Faldo, lose 25 yds off the tee.

[Burner]

There's a reason why most tour players still insist on steel spikes, and it isn't because they have "top down" swings! Of course, you can do that and, like Faldo, lose 25 yds off the tee.

Joe, please.

Just go to the top of your backswing and move the club down and through the ball WITHOUT moving your arms.

You MAY USE your feet, ankles, knees, thighs or hips in any manner you wish in order to generate the force necessary to propel the clubhead down and through impact.

Let me know when manage it.

Seriously though, I reckon we will just have to agree to differ.

[hcw]

If you understand the action of throwing a ball, you'll understand what Burner is talking about....
DG

uh, now i don't hit the ball too straight, but i can throw better than most and i guarantee that the best throws start with the legs...just go watch a pitcher windup and start to the plate...pushes off with the back leg propelling the hips->shoulder->arm...the arm is the last thing accelerating in the chain, but it starts with the legs...

-hcw

[hcw]

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe

There's a reason why most tour players still insist on steel spikes, and it isn't because they have "top down" swings! Of course, you can do that and, like Faldo, lose 25 yds off the tee.

Joe, please.

Just go to the top of your backswing and move the club down and through the ball WITHOUT moving your arms.

You MAY USE your feet, ankles, knees, thighs or hips in any manner you wish in order to generate the force necessary to propel the clubhead down and through impact.

Let me know when manage it.

Seriously though, I reckon we will just have to agree to differ.

it's not that you don't move your arms, it's that you don't move them with the muscles OF your arms until you've got the whole train started with your legs/hips...do this, take a club and address a ball, then lift the club straight in front of your face as if the ball were at shoulder level not the ground...keeping the clubshaft a shoulder level turn and wrap it as far back around you as you can by turning your hips, folding you trail arm (and you lead if you want), and cocking/bending your lead/trail wrists...then try and hit the imaginary ball (at shoulder level) as hard as possible (listen for the "swoosh" of the club)...a little experimentation will show that it's pretty obviously when you start with the hips to get the shoulders->arms->hands->clubhead accelerating...give it a try, but loosen up a little before you really give it your all and make sure you have plenty of room and you're not too close to something like, say, uh a freezer...no i don't wish to discuss why i made that last statement

-hcw

[MizunoJoe]

hcw,

Nice post. And, I know all about being too close to stuff.

[hcw]

hcw,

Nice post. And, I know all about being too close to stuff.

thanks...the good news is that i didn't hurt my 8-iron and only the aesthetics of the freezer

-hcw

[Anonymous]

What you think you see and what is really happening can be two different things....in magic they call it an illusion.

DG

[Burner]

Originally Posted by Burner

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe There's a reason why most tour players still insist on steel spikes, and it isn't because they have "top down" swings! Of course, you can do that and, like Faldo, lose 25 yds off the tee. Joe, please. Just go to the top of your backswing and move the club down and through the ball WITHOUT moving your arms. You MAY USE your feet, ankles, knees, thighs or hips in any manner you wish in order to generate the force necessary to propel the clubhead down and through impact. Let me know when manage it. Seriously though, I reckon we will just have to agree to differ.

it's not that you don't move your arms, it's that you don't move them with the muscles OF your arms until you've got the whole train started with your legs/hips...do this, take a club and address a ball, then lift the club straight in front of your face as if the ball were at shoulder level not the ground...keeping the clubshaft a shoulder level turn and wrap it as far back around you as you can by turning your hips, folding you trail arm (and you lead if you want), and cocking/bending your lead/trail wrists...then try and hit the imaginary ball (at shoulder level) as hard as possible (listen for the "swoosh" of the club)...a little experimentation will show that it's pretty obviously when you start with the hips to get the shoulders->arms->hands->clubhead accelerating...give it a try, but loosen up a little before you really give it your all and make sure you have plenty of room and you're not too close to something like, say, uh a freezer...no i don't wish to discuss why i made that last statement
-hcw

hcw,
Do you start your putting stroke with your feet, legs, hips, whatever? No; because there is no need for body movement in order to make a putt and that is because the arms can do their work without such assistance.

The upshot of all this is that the body reacts only to allow the arms to get to where they need to go on the backswing - the body neither generates or stores power in this process.

Same for the downswing, the body reacts in response to the downward movement of the club by the arms, providing resistance to, and support for, the force generated by the arms as they propel the club.

Any movement of the body that is perceived to precede the downward swing of the arms (as opposed to being coincident with it) is merely a positional, path clearing, procedure that facilitates the application of downward force rather than causes it.

[hcw]

What you think you see and what is really happening can be two different things....in magic they call it an illusion.

DG

DG, i'll assume you're talking about the pitcher throwing...i'll defer on TGM, but let me assure you i know how i throw and the ones that would go the farthest start FORWARD with the legs->hips->shoulders->arms...however, you left out the second paragraph of 10-3-B:

"The only real difference from 10-3-A is that the Right Elbow can lead the Hands into Release much farther with the same amount of Hip travel (6-B-1-C) and is therefore conducive to greater Trigger Delay (10-20) for Snap Releases (10-24)"

Mr. Kelley seemed to know the Hips had a role!

-hcw

[Anonymous]

hcw,

Can you interpret for the class what Homer means by that paragraph....the more details the better....since this is the physics section, physics and/or biomechanical terms would suffice...

DG