online certification

[comdpa]

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University of Blake since Jan. 10 of 04.
THANKS from all of us.

I second that Denny!

One of the main reason I think online certification will not be done by Mr Daniels is that it will be hard for him to justify the $2400 price tag to be certified GSEB.

I really believe that it boils down to money. There are in fact more than one on this forum who have the knowledge of a GSEB or GSEM who never attended any AI classes.

This fact alone effectively addresses the issue of "training consistency" of the curriculum. With the advance of video and audio technology, much can be accomplished in tandem with forums.

How much will I personally pay for certification online? Nothing more than $500 to take the exams and for some e-book which briefly explains the book.

If I fail the exam, I will pay a nominal fee to retake it. To make attainment more prestigious, the student cannot take the paper more than 3 times.

By opening certification up online, we will save the prospective student a boatload of cash needed for travel and accomodation as well as in school fees.

The corollary to this is that as certification becomes cheaper (but not necessarily easier to attain) and more viable, the number of instructors that will sign up should increase by a wide margin.

What this will do is to increase profits for the certifying school and increase its reach to the world with the message, that is TGM.

[john riegger]

your right in a sense.i dont want to learn more to instruct.i make my living playing the pga tour.i want to learn more for personal knowlege.although with todays technology anything is possible.look at all the great information yoda has on his site.i know there are other tour players that would like to take classes.it is just asking to much from our families to be gone anymore than we already are.by spreading the word of the golf machine more individuals will become addicted just like the rest of us.this just means more money in the pockets of you instructors.thanks for all the great response to my thread,just trying to give you guys some food for thought.

[12 piece bucket]

your right in a sense.i dont want to learn more to instruct.i make my living playing the pga tour.i want to learn more for personal knowlege.although with todays technology anything is possible.look at all the great information yoda has on his site.i know there are other tour players that would like to take classes.it is just asking to much from our families to be gone anymore than we already are.by spreading the word of the golf machine more individuals will become addicted just like the rest of us.this just means more money in the pockets of you instructors.thanks for all the great response to my thread,just trying to give you guys some food for thought.

John,

Best of luck to you! Guys how could TGM not do this? Seems like this is the exact kind of exposure that could get the little Yellow Book "mainstream." Tour players endorsement would be HUGE!

Thanks again John for your support, interest and recognition of the BEST information in golf.

Regards,

Bucket

[Trig]

your right in a sense.i dont want to learn more to instruct.i make my living playing the pga tour.i want to learn more for personal knowlege.although with todays technology anything is possible.look at all the great information yoda has on his site.i know there are other tour players that would like to take classes.it is just asking to much from our families to be gone anymore than we already are.by spreading the word of the golf machine more individuals will become addicted just like the rest of us.this just means more money in the pockets of you instructors.thanks for all the great response to my thread,just trying to give you guys some food for thought.

I have often thought it would be fun to test my knowledge. I don't plan on teaching (or playing )professionally, but it would still be fun and rewarding to take the exams.

Good luck on the Tour in '06 John and we hope to see you contributing on the forum in the future.

[pluthb]

After going through the GSEB and GSEM classes there is no way to conduct those type of classes online. There is a demonstration requirement along with verbal and written requirements that could not happen outside of face to face interaction.
There could however be a short course and long course curriculum that could be taught over the internet to introduce the key ideas of G.O.L.F. and that is what we're getting from these sites. Taped segments like would be a great place to start.
On a side note, Brian, Chuck, Joe and Lynn have been very supportive of answering questions on-line, in person or over the phone to me over the years and they are only a click away. This is one of the great places to get your questions answered. Homer would be happy because he too 'thrived on questions!'

[12 piece bucket]

I have often thought it would be fun to test my knowledge. I don't plan on teaching (or playing )professionally, but it would still be fun and rewarding to take the exams.

Good luck on the Tour in '06 John and we hope to see you contributing on the forum in the future.

I'm with you. It would be cool to take the test. I wouldn't wish my teaching somebody golf even to Osama. It would be torture! When it comes to G.O.L.F. it's all about Bucket.

[DennyAlberts]

12-29-2005, 07:49 PM error out

[Yoda]

Martee and I got our G.S.E.B. 2 and half years ago in a 3 day class with Joe. Joe KNOWS the Book. He even caught the teacher(Lynn) on a error.

That error had nothing to do with knowing the book. In fact, I knew the collective book (the sixth edition and its five predecessors) too well. Joe didn't have that particular 'problem': After the dust settled, he told me himself that he had never studied the earlier editions because he felt that only the latest work was relevant.

In the case of TGM, that simply is not true. Much very useful, 'connect the dots' information was left on TGM's cutting room floor as it progressed through the various editions. It is one of the reasons the book is so difficult: In the interest of brevity, many of the stepping stones in the middle of the stream have been removed.

In this instance, the discussion centered around the Closed Clubface at Fix for the longest, hardest hit Shots with Angled Hinging. We both knew (and quoted) the exact wording of the 6th edition:

"Clubface alignment is slightly 'Open' for short shots but for longer shots it must be set up more and more 'Closed.'"

The issue was interpretation of that sentence. Joe had written a post stating that the Clubface should be Closed at Fix. I responded that the 'more and more closed' -- from the Open alignment on Short Shots -- ended at Square, which was exactly what Homer himself had said in the earlier editions. I acquiesced only when I researched my personal tapes of my time with Homer and heard the words, "It must be set up Closed. The tendency to fade is still there."

I immediately wrote a post retracting the 'Square' Clubface position and explained why using an extended quote transcribed from my tapes of Homer's own words.

And that was that.

[phillygolf]

That error had nothing to do with knowing the book. In fact, I knew the collective book (the sixth edition and its five predecessors) too well. Joe didn't have that particular 'problem': After the dust settled, he told me himself that he had never studied the earlier editions because he felt that only the latest work was relevant.

In the case of TGM, that simply is not true. Much very useful, 'connect the dots' information was left on TGM's cutting room floor as it progressed through the various editions. It is one of the reasons the book is so difficult: In the interest of brevity, many of the stepping stones in the middle of the stream have been removed.

In this instance, the discussion centered around the Closed Clubface at Fix for the longest, hardest hit Shots with Angled Hinging. We both knew (and quoted) the exact wording of the 6th edition:

"Clubface alignment is slightly 'Open' for short shots but for longer shots it must be set up more and more 'Closed.'"

The issue was interpretation of that sentence. Joe had written a post stating that the Clubface should be Closed at Fix. I responded that the 'more and more closed' -- from the Open alignment on Short Shots -- ended at Square, which was exactly what Homer himself had said in the earlier editions. I acquiesced only when I researched my personal tapes of my time with Homer and heard the words, "It must be set up Closed. The tendency to fade is still there."

I immediately wrote a post retracting the 'Square' Clubface position and explained why using an extended quote transcribed from my tapes of Homer's own words.

And that was that.

I will second Lynn's comments.

However....
(Lynn, please dont kill me)

If you set up closed...and...the clubface, even with layback, still closes...how can you set the face closed at fix?

I understand the clubhead is movin faster then the face...however, there are others that agree with me.....

(ready to kill me now?)

-Patrick

[tongzilla]

Yoda,

Also, since the Ball always leaves perpendicular or 90 degrees from the leading edge of the Clubface at Separation, doesn't the above procedure necessarily produce a Pull shot?