A Ben Doyle Lesson -- Part III / Ball-Turf...Please

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I think Ben could have corrected that by having have him take the left hand off the club?

DRW

[Martee]

My point I was trying to make regarding the student was that this is something I see in a lot of teacher/student lessons. Is it wrong? Don't know for sure but it usually appears to take a longer time for the student to get it....

I lost track on how many times Ben would refocus the student.

My post was more directed not at the student in the video but for all of the readers, maybe it would help if they noticed this and what the impact was.

Something to mention, DID anyone notice that when Ben addresses the ball, be it demo balance on one foot or normal, that his right forearm and the clubshaft appear as one continious line. This is an endorsement of Ben address style, but certainly show that he has built a process to reduce unnecessary movement, IMO, and achieving good alignment. If you are into efficency routines, his has to be up at the top.

[Abudoggie]

What is most tragic about the videos so far is.... I AM WORSE than the student. At the same time, that makes them brilliant for me. Ben's repetition of fundamental principals gets pumped into my coconut by repetition.

This series reminds me of John Wooden (pardon me if you have heard this before). One of Wooden's new freshmen at UCLA came to his first practice starry-eyed and eager to learn all the "inside secrets" that led UCLA to multiple NCAA championships under Wooden.

The first thing Wooden did was take the freshmen aside and teach them the proper way to tie their shoes. Wooden felt there was ONE PROPER way to tie the shoe so that the laces would NOT come undone on the court (say for example during a game when a nat'l chamionship was on the line). Well needless to say, the rookie was instantly disillusioned and did not pay attention. When do we learn how to make the super secret shots? Tieing shoes!!?? Bah! Wooden brought this rookie to an appreciation that fundamentals drive everything. Complex is only built upon a foundation of solid basic. Free-throws, dribbling, and passing count as much as a great jump-shot. So does tying your shoes.

Back to Doyle..... "one inch over the line"....."one inch over the line"..."not four inches"....."one inch over the line"......"left heel one inch"...."one inch over the line".....

Definately the patient style of John Wooden. Two Great Teachers who do not divert from imparting what is important.

PS: The UCLA rookie went on to be part of UCLA's championship dynasty and made it a point to mention his shoes never did come untied.

Abudoggie

[6bmike]

It takes a Buddhist the better part of his life to learn how to boil the water to make a pot of tea.

Accomplishing any good endeavor takes a little care and attention

welcome to the club.

6b

[Vaako]

At the same time, that makes them brilliant for me. Ben's repetition of fundamental principals gets pumped into my coconut by repetition.


Abudoggie

Is this a gradual sinking-in process where results get better as repetition number goes up? Or, are there some specific points in the videos where you get it - sort of a (even small) stepwise increase in understanding?


Vaako

[DDL]

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[drewitgolf]

Originally Posted by Abudoggie

At the same time, that makes them brilliant for me. Ben's repetition of fundamental principals gets pumped into my coconut by repetition. Abudoggie

Is this a gradual sinking-in process where results get better as repetition number goes up? Or, are there some specific points in the videos where you get it - sort of a (even small) stepwise increase in understanding?


Vaako

Your progress is dependant upon your ability to:

1. Absorb (Understand)
2. Remember
3. The completeness of the information (TGM has it all; statues in the sun-no cracks to hide)
4. Application (your ablity to develop and personalize the "Machine Feel") where you can turn it loose and trust it.

[brianmanzella]

The first time I worked with Ben (5 days in early June 1987) his camera was down and all I have is notes....


...and my photographic memories

[jim_0068]

The first time I worked with Ben (5 days in early June 1987) his camera was down and all I have is notes....


...and my photographic memories

Such a shame...either way, we'd probably not recognize you back then anyway! :P

[Vaako]

Originally Posted by Vaako

Originally Posted by Abudoggie At the same time, that makes them brilliant for me. Ben's repetition of fundamental principals gets pumped into my coconut by repetition. Abudoggie Is this a gradual sinking-in process where results get better as repetition number goes up? Or, are there some specific points in the videos where you get it - sort of a (even small) stepwise increase in understanding? Vaako

Your progress is dependant upon your ability to:

1. Absorb (Understand)
2. Remember
3. The completeness of the information (TGM has it all; statues in the sun-no cracks to hide)
4. Application (your ablity to develop and personalize the "Machine Feel") where you can turn it loose and trust it.

Was aiming more towards what Abudoggie was getting from viewing Ben. Continuous slope of better understanding or steps?


Vaako